Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
still the thought comes up, I'm going to go and get a cup of tea, or
I'm going to go and take a swim, or I'm going to go and have a
bath, or whatever the thought is that comes up, or the urge that
comes up. But the difference is Now is that I don't believe it's my
free will, I don't believe I am creating this free will, it's just
something that's arising, the appearance of free will, the
appearance of choice. And it appears that way, but it never is
somebody's choice, it never is somebody's free will. It's an arising
in this beautiful dance, which gives the impression that there's
two, but there's never two.
WIZARD: So this will then doesn't suffer the dilemma of apparent
choice, it just is this.
LISA CAIRNS: Yes. And there's no attachment to the outcome
because you don't see that choice as who you are. In the past you
think I am choosing apple juice, therefore it's my choice and I
suffer the consequences if it's not a good apple juice or if I don't
enjoy it. There's nobody there claiming that action, it's so
impersonal.
Go back to the murderer subject, because really I enjoy this
subject, to go back to the impersonality of the murderer. Because
when it begins to be seen that you're not the doer, that you then or
that you're not a separate entity, it's then seen that the other isn't.
So first of all it has to always be seen here in this body, mind,
mechanism, before the others will be seen. So if you see yourself
as a separate entity doing and creating life, you'll see the other
doing and creating life. And one thing that happened here with
the whole murderer thing was that I began to have a series of
dreams, and this is just going into the story, this doesn't have to be
the way for everyone. But I often say that what happens is that
you learn all this stuff intellectually, and then it normally
manifests experientially in your life. So you learn that you're not
the doer, or there is no self, and then you begin to see that
experientially, like you begin to see that happiness isn't in the flow
of life, it doesn't always have to be the case, but this is what
happened here. And I began to dream at night, very real dreams,
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