Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
remember suffering, and it doesn't tend to remember happiness
because happiness is our natural state, and it's not memorable, it's
not like a big experience, it's natural, it's beautiful, it's flowing.
And the mind, the ego, tends to remember dramatic experiences,
so really high pleasures and suffering. So when she's looking back
through those suffering eyes, all she's remembering is the
suffering, and she thinks that everything is suffering, or everything
is not going well for her at the moment, and there wasn't the
potentiality of happiness. So you need to capture when she's
feeling happy and point it out to her when there's lightness about
her.
TRIP: All right, I'll do it.
WIZARD: That's good.
TRIP: Now one of the elegant ways you share, and I love your
analogy, is you speak of people as mechanisms. And you suggest
that tendencies simply arise and then in one of your videos you
talked about even a murderer is not an evildoer but they're a
mechanism with a tendency arising. Can you share this teaching?
LISA CAIRNS: So I remember the first time I had this pointed out
to me, I was listening, I'd just met Wayne Lickerman in London.
And I used to be very attached to good and bad, and one of the
reasons I got into Buddhism was very much attracted to their
compassion side, and doing good, and I suppose this fight against
bad, like I wanted to push away badness or only lean towards
good. And when I first met Wayne I really challenged him on this,
and one thing he said to me, and it really struck me, was he said,
"Who wants to be the murderer? Who would want to choose to be
the murderer, or the pedophile? Nobody would want that role, if
there is somebody that chooses if there is somebody that does,
why would you choose that? It's just that the urge is so
overwhelming to do those actions, the urge that comes up, that
that's what has to be done". And it's the same, if we look at it like
with other tendencies, like a lot of people have, in particular a lot
of women, they're slightly out of control with food, or there's
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