Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
this moment maybe it's been in the last year they've been ill, or last
six months, or maybe the last 10 years, but in those 10 years there
are points where the suffering gets really intense, and then less
intense. And they're most probably associating it with things
happening in the flow of life, things happening out there, like their
health getting better, or a situation changing, or something like
this. But if you begin to point it out to them that it's actually not
correlating with this, there's times when they're really sick or
haven't slept but there is happiness there, there is a sense of
feeling relief from the suffering. Then there are other times when
they're deep in suffering, and it seems that they don't match up,
that your happiness isn't always matching up to external
situations. So they can be really ill in bed, and then they see that
there's a relief, there's actually happiness there, which I call the
falling away of the self, the more the self falls away, the more you
feel happy. And I don't mean your static high of happiness of
getting pleasures; I just mean a general sense of happiness, of
beauty, of love. And we go in and out, as we go more in suffering,
beauty, love, and happiness isn't there. As we come out of
suffering, there's more beauty love, openness, space, happiness,
whatever you call it. And it's pointing out to them that although
they're ill, and there's lack of sleep, and a lot of discomfort at the
moment, they're not always deeply immersed in suffering. It's not
always dark, dark, dark, there's different states happening. As
they begin to see that what's happening to them in the flow of life
isn't relating to their happiness, and they're unhappiness, they
begin to see that the illness isn't what's creating the unhappiness.
Does that make sense?
TRIP: Yes, I see that.
WIZARD: I can attest to that because a lot of times when I see the
friend you're speaking of, she's very happy, she's dancing, she's
light as a feather, without any weight of the world on her, and
most beautiful.
LISA CAIRNS: And mind likes to, not likes to, but the mind
remembers suffering, because suffering is dramatic, it tends to
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