Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
teacher and the student; it just appears that way in the story.
Then in liberation, or when seeking falls away, it's seen that there
never is time and space, there never is the story that only is just
this. But that's the big story of liberation, like it is a story, the
story of liberation, and it's a beautiful story, it's a divine story. But
it appears in the story of liberation that you're putting effort into
staying in the present moment, or your understanding of karma,
or it appears that a doer is doing something. And then in
liberation you see through that doer, you see through the effort of
seeking, and all you're left with is just this. And you're not even
left with non-doership, or doership, you're left with nothing,
you're just left with this. I teach non-doership, but I don't live in
non-doership, I live with nothing, just this. Does that answer it?
WIZARD: That's beautiful.
TRIP: All right. I've got a challenging question for you, it's a
personal thing, this is one of the great things about having my own
radio show, is I get to get my own questions answered. Now you
say people are caught in a loop of seeking; they want the house, or
the lover, the money. And so someone very close to me is seeking
simply health, their simple health, their body and their mind are in
rebellion, they’ve got brain fog, they can't think, they don't sleep
well, the body is often in pain. It's impossible for this person that I
love to conceive that health won't bring her happiness, and for
someone like me to suggest otherwise is from her perspective an
unrealistic and uncompassionate position. What is your
perspective on somebody's desire for something like simple health
like everyone else has that they perceive would bring a degree of
happiness. And on the surface it does seem that they would be the
correct assessment?
LISA CAIRNS: Yes. So it's a great opportunity when something
that intense is happening to see through this trick, because your
friend is obviously, at the moment, going in and out of a lot of
suffering. And so what I've done in the past, I've been through a
process with my friend who was actually then dying, the dying
process, was pointing out that they're not always unhappy. So at
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