Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
house-sitting for the last two months at different friends' houses in
the city.
WIZARD: Good job.
LISA CAIRNS: But I leave for good next week. So after four years
of living here, I leave finally, well not finally, I love it here but it's
time to go.
TRIP: I want to give our listeners who aren't familiar with you a
taste of your beautiful sharing; I want to read what I transcribed
from one of your videos on your website. You say, "So this is
absolute freefall, this isn't about a conceptual way of living, about
there being an I or not being an I, about a doer or no doer, about
investigating the self, or being with the pain, or not being with the
pain, healing or not healing, different teachers, what teachers say,
different concepts. This is about none of them, about holding to
none of them; it's just about this, just this, absolutely freefall; the
absolute unknown of this. There's no right way or wrong way, no
correct teachings, no incorrect teachings, just this. How many
times can I say, just this?' Just this, just this, just this! Can the
momentousness of just this be shared with someone who does not
already register its momentousness, Lisa?
LISA CAIRNS: Wow. From my experience, and I used to listen to
Tony Parsons, and when I started out spiritually seeking I started
out in Buddhism, and the first bit of Sutra I ever heard was the
Heart Sutra, I don't know if you're familiar with the Heart Sutra.
And it's very Advaitic, it's all about formlessness. And even
though I had no intellectual understanding of it, I didn't know
what they were talking about, the same with Tony Parsons when I
first met him, the heart sung at this, the heart was so attracted and
explosive when it heard these people talking about just this, or my
interpretation of just this. And that's what happened here. So
whether people can hear it, maybe intellectually it's not being
heard, maybe they do not intellectually understand what's being
said, but I think the heart responds to it. I mean, not always, but if
I were to say, just this, to my parents, or to my friends, I don't
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