Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
field of psychology is also transforming. I just had an interview
this last week with a psychology group, who are also encountering
awakening and their methods are transforming along with the
manner they perceive.
As far as physical healing, the body goes through a transformation
as well, some more than others. There are probably hundreds of
helpful healing modalities for the body as well as the subtle body.
Physical pain is demanding and a distraction from the deeper
inquiry, so attention here is required; whereas, emotional pain
fuels the fire of Truth. Self-realization is realizing who you are
beyond all form. In the end, we see that nothing is excluded and
that is integration. You have realized that there is no ego, so there
is no suffering.
WIZARD: So maybe seeing the problem is the problem.
PHILIP: Bringing your attention to it, bring your attention to the
problem, which I did recently, and it was like I followed this
thread into a fisherman's knot, and then I realized it was a choice I
had made to take that up and identify with it as me. And all I had
to do was basically drop it, which leads me into another little
rhyme of this story that John and I shared in this character, who is
named Vancha, which in Sanskrit means desire. And sometimes
he transforms into this other character called Eollil, which is a
pretty dread beast, serpentine beast, and he's saying to the person
who really wants to bring his attention to the Truth, he's saying,
"Around an infinite spiral of stairs you must travel, and the way to
get out you will never unravel, and to just hear my voice is to
weaken your choice, and your reason is nothing but babble."
When you start bringing your attention and this is what I was kind
of hearing, for me so much psychological so called healing is
taking up all of these different threads that for me lead into a
fisherman's knot, and there's no end to that stuff. Because as you
say, it's illusory to begin with. It's really a question of bringing our
attention onto who it is that we really are.
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