Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
identification with the personal body-only limitation, they are
experiencing themselves as only a fraction of the totality. That
fraction will always be a fraction. A fraction can never be whole.
And of course as the body, we share great vulnerability. Children
could surrender that idea or through conscious parenting, stand
free of the conditioning in the first place.
WIZARD: I use the term Faith for myself in the sense of naked
Faith, not Faith in anything that is a method of acceptance, putting
the I-thought out of a job [Laughter]. Some people critique me on
that and say it's a belief, but I see Faith as the antithesis of a belief
that is really to relieve the burden of beliefs into non doer-ship.
PHILIP: The recognition of what is… is different from faith as the
word is used in so many instances I believe.
WIZARD: It's been corrupted.
PHILIP: It's been over burdened. And I wanted to ask you
though, Katie, what do you see as the, if not the reason but, or
maybe it's the same thing, the cause that so many people seem to
want to cling so tenaciously to this separation?
KATIE DAVIS: Well we were taught that.
PHILIP: That's the conditioning.
KATIE DAVIS: It was our primary programming. As children we
learned to point to our body and say “I.” At that moment, as a little
teeny tiny tot, we began to limit identity to a particular body; a
body only. The body is a beautiful intelligence; it is the
psychological sense of self that is surrendered. Who we are
includes the body and infinitely more.
So that separation is programmed and with the luck of a lifetime,
we begin investigating the Truth of that primary assumption. Is it
true? This cannot be found in a book or from a teacher. They can
be extraordinary pointers. This requires direct perception and
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