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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

KATIE DAVIS: I would like to say something about that. All lack<br />

is in the pain gap of separation from the magnificence that you<br />

truly are and the false ego-body limitation. Everyone wants to let<br />

go of fear, but very few really take a look at desire. Again time<br />

separates the desire/fear duality. For instance, happiness and<br />

sadness depend upon one another for their definitive existence.<br />

Those dualities cycle back and forth on the same continuum<br />

<strong>with</strong>in time; whereas joy is transcendental and therefore free of<br />

the cycling in time. Pure, calm joy is ever present.<br />

<strong>The</strong> desire to know who you are <strong>with</strong> a group of people that<br />

similarly have that same single pointed focus is really beautiful<br />

and very supportive; such as in Satsang. In the end, it will be seen<br />

that everything is just happening by itself and there is such<br />

simplicity in that. You could even say that the inquiry is an<br />

adventure; not knowing what is appearing and being able to live<br />

or be the spontaneity.<br />

Even before wondering what we desire … who desires? <strong>The</strong><br />

question “what” is objective. <strong>The</strong> question “who” is subjective.<br />

Turn the mind's attention <strong>with</strong>in and <strong>with</strong> innocent curiosity,<br />

inquire, notice and realize.<br />

TRIP: I'm a cage rattler, so I've got a question for you that<br />

concerns about three billion people here on planet Earth. You<br />

write, "Children learn to pray to a separate God that is reduced to<br />

a mental concept that requires a leap of faith." Now that's about<br />

half the planet. "This is a leap that some may not make." You're<br />

right. What of the ones that make the leap of faith into the concept<br />

of a separate God, are they inevitably suffering as well?<br />

KATIE DAVIS: Well yes, because of the separation; that is, if they<br />

are already attaching and separating. <strong>The</strong>y may not be conscious<br />

of it and I am not saying that there is anything wrong <strong>with</strong> faith,<br />

because it is that devotion that eventually feeds longing and the<br />

curiosity to look <strong>with</strong>in. By awakening, we realize directly that the<br />

divine is intimately <strong>with</strong>in and inseparable from our deepest<br />

essence. Are children suffering? As long as there is this<br />

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