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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages how the body's feeling, sensing, and maybe how wonderful the air feels as it moves in and out your nose. The body is always now. Ultimately, we know that we are far more than just the physical form, but the body is a perfect tool for presence. When you are relaxed and yet alert, while consciously sensing, there is no time. So the I-thought can still come up. We use it all the time in conversation, so the thought itself is perfectly harmless. It is the attachment to it as identity that is problematic and that attachment requires time. So the first step then is to fully be the body and you shift out of the head into timeless presence. TRIP: So you've spent several decades integrating your original awakening experience and you've settled down and become established. So I want to ask you this question. Do you still suffer? KATIE DAVIS: No. TRIP: No, you do not suffer? Absence of suffering. KATIE DAVIS: Yes, and that is important to hear that this is a true possibility. I am not suggesting that anyone try to escape suffering, in fact it must be intimately known and observed. Allow the suffering to come up. Let the body sense it and feel it, while you are observing. Observe the mental activity that goes along with it, they walk in tandem together. Emotion is really a reaction to our own thoughts, so suffering is self-inflicted [Laughs]. WIZARD: So it's the I-thought that's suffering and it's just a belief? KATIE DAVIS: It is the ego. When you realize that the ego is nothing more than the separating concept of the ego-I, the body limitation and its time, we are able to surrender and directly realize the mistake in identity. We have “carried” the ego our entire lifetime! Free of the ego, there is nothing to hold together the suffering conditionings. The mistake is attachment and that requires time. 304
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages WIZARD: Kind of like Santa Claus. KATIE DAVIS: The most basic level of Self-inquiry is simply the question “Who am I?” while directing the mind’s attention inward. Listen with every cell of the body. From whence is this thought arising? Simply listen, notice and look. When I meet individually with people and we are sitting together, even if they are coming in just to be a little bit happier; meaning that they are free of the idea of Self-realization … or maybe they are just starting to be a little bit curious. When you ask this question earnestly and look directly, as John said a little while ago, there is no one there. One woman opened her eyes wide and responded, "There is no one there!" And she started laughing and said, "What a relief!” When there is no storyteller, you are free of the suffering story. When you can be free of attachment, you are free of suffering. Nonetheless, inquiry into that suffering is essential for understanding its structure and mechanism. Observing is the transformative power, just by simply watching. PHILIP: Katie, Trip warned you I might jump in here. John and I share a teaching; fairly obscure teaching from some years back and some is composed of rhymes. I want to share one, because it's so appropriate to what you're talking about, I think. And it goes like this: "I only wish I could make people see, but when I explain it, they just won't believe. Everyone sees their mind's distortion of the one perfect soul, before they see their soul's perfection; sparking all aglow. Don't look back. Don't think that there's anything at all behind you. Look to the morning; a new day is dawning. Truth is here to remind you." And John was saying something recently, we were having… KATIE DAVIS: That is beautiful. Thank you for sharing. PHILIP: You're welcome. We were having some little spontaneous Satsang and we were talking about this notion of the awareness. I want to call it the oneness, the soul, the existence 305
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