Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
how the body's feeling, sensing, and maybe how wonderful the air
feels as it moves in and out your nose. The body is always now.
Ultimately, we know that we are far more than just the physical
form, but the body is a perfect tool for presence. When you are
relaxed and yet alert, while consciously sensing, there is no time.
So the I-thought can still come up. We use it all the time in
conversation, so the thought itself is perfectly harmless. It is the
attachment to it as identity that is problematic and that
attachment requires time. So the first step then is to fully be the
body and you shift out of the head into timeless presence.
TRIP: So you've spent several decades integrating your original
awakening experience and you've settled down and become
established. So I want to ask you this question. Do you still suffer?
KATIE DAVIS: No.
TRIP: No, you do not suffer? Absence of suffering.
KATIE DAVIS: Yes, and that is important to hear that this is a
true possibility. I am not suggesting that anyone try to escape
suffering, in fact it must be intimately known and observed. Allow
the suffering to come up. Let the body sense it and feel it, while
you are observing. Observe the mental activity that goes along
with it, they walk in tandem together. Emotion is really a reaction
to our own thoughts, so suffering is self-inflicted [Laughs].
WIZARD: So it's the I-thought that's suffering and it's just a
belief?
KATIE DAVIS: It is the ego. When you realize that the ego is
nothing more than the separating concept of the ego-I, the body
limitation and its time, we are able to surrender and directly
realize the mistake in identity. We have “carried” the ego our
entire lifetime! Free of the ego, there is nothing to hold together
the suffering conditionings. The mistake is attachment and that
requires time.
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