Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: And it gets you to wondering, wow, I'm still working on
unconditional surrender and I've been at this for five years. Do we
largely experience enlightenment, if we are continuously aware of
awareness as say for example I am? Or are there states so much
deeper than that, that I might as well just, you know, plan on the
next 40 years working at this or hanging with this? What do you
think?
KATIE DAVIS: Well, what's important to hear is that who you are
right now is whole, complete and already awake. What we call
nature is this physical space with all that can be contacted by the
senses. Then there is this field of attention that is perception,
cognition and time. You are beyond all that. This is about realizing
who you are in the deepest essence right now, not who you are
going to become 20 years from now. What is already here and
complete?
As far as surrender is concerned, if it could be really received and
looked at directly, the only apparent obstruction is this
identification with the concept “I”. To that is attached all of these
conditionings, programs and emotional ups and downs; all of the
physical health concerns or problems. But if we can realize that we
are prior to that, it is as basic as it can be.
Right now, we all feel this sense of I-ness; this resting as I-ness.
Most are still misidentified with the ego-I. When we realize that
we could not possibly be a mere thought and see through the
delusion, then the mistake that is often made is to surrender this
feeling sense of I-ness. It is like throwing out the word
“chocolate,” without ever having tasted chocolate! Pure I is I now
and it is far more than a word or a thought. It is not the ego and it
is pointing to far more than the physical body. The invitation is to
inquire, so that there is true tasting.
The most fundamental teaching is who is “I”. People often have an
idea about enlightenment or Self-realization and they think it's
very complicated, since the mind tries to understand it. And yet, it
is so simple. If you will rest as that … that feeling sense of I-ness, it
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