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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

anything, boom you just was you, it was just who you were, it was<br />

what you had to do.<br />

JERRY WENNSTROM: Well it wasn't based on any particular<br />

tradition, but I wouldn't say I didn't have a poetic sense of the<br />

possibility form things I've read, from people like Ramakrishna,<br />

and Yogananda, and Christ. I mean, it's not like I didn't know the<br />

potential for this life. So it's not a religion, and there's no<br />

particular one, but if there is that God of everything, it's in your<br />

heart, it's in your potential in each moment, it's there, it's not<br />

arrogant to expect that that is there and to call on it, and to try and<br />

find how to live in relationship <strong>with</strong> that. And there are times I<br />

just did this interview where I told the story, I didn't tell in my<br />

book, about a way that Ramakrishna came through in a very<br />

visionary way. I didn't talk about it because I hate talking about<br />

this psyche smyche stuff, and I didn't put it in my book. But there<br />

are times when literally deities from traditions I felt would come<br />

through to save the day and help me in very particular ways. And I<br />

think sometimes when you put your foot out into that emptiness<br />

and you don't know what it's going to land on, your foot falls into<br />

place in say a Hindu belief, or a Christian belief, or a bagman, that<br />

moment, that person, that expression, if your God is that moment.<br />

And there's no greater religion than the religion of all things, that's<br />

what native traditional spirituality is about in all cultures, there's a<br />

God of everything, the trees, they're singing, the birds are talking.<br />

It's all there telling you how to go, where to go, how to be, if we're<br />

paying attention. And that is our birthright no one can claim it,<br />

the Catholic church doesn't own it, the Jews' religion doesn't own<br />

it, the Hindu's don't own it, the Muslims don't own it, it's a God of<br />

everything, it's all the great big harmonious singing dancing<br />

Mystery.<br />

TRIP: Jerry, you are a sage, and I'm honored to have spent this<br />

hour <strong>with</strong> you, truly it's been fabulous for me. We only have about<br />

two more minutes, I want to mention that you have a website,<br />

www.handsofalchemy.com , and currently you're featuring a series<br />

of interactive coffin like boxes that are magical that all kinds of<br />

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