Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
JERRY WENNSTROM: Well, again, if I might repeat my mantra,
there's either a God of everything, or a God of nothing. Hunger is
so primal that it's one of your ultimate fears, hunger, survival.
And I think again if that was a fear, I said well not that one, that
would have been a place that came up in my life and there would
be no God there, because I as an ego would have said, I'm not
going there, and I would run for cover. In other words, if it came
to eating or hurting you, I would hurt you because I have to eat.
That's what fear does, it will do damage in the world to survive.
And I needed to find the Mystery of that aspect of my own ego
survival mechanism, you might say. And that's what it did for me,
I found that again there is a God in that; it was miraculous the way
it has worked. And I don't fast anymore, I'm not hungry, I'm all
plump and happy. I don't think you need to live that way, but I
think I needed to find the place where even that, even there,
because look, I survived, I'm here telling the story because I didn't
die. It's not like I'm the hunger artist in the straw. Here I am,
with a beautiful wife living in this beautiful land on Whidbey
Island, and it's all I think a product of those experiences, because
like art, like relationship, I had to get to the place where it didn't
matter. By matter I mean it was not fear based that I was eating, it
was not fear based that I'm in a relationship. It's not fear based
that I now have possessions in my life, and doing art again. It's
totally because it's a celebratory part of the whole that came out of
finding that essential God in the experience. And if I didn't have
it, this would not be mine. I would be a fear-based creation that I
have to fight for, and scrap for, and hold, and work to achieve, and
I don’t do any of that. I work hard, but it's on behalf of what I
love, and what I love in other people, and what I do for other
people, it's not out of fear.
TRIP: Well what I think is really special about you is I was born
with a silver spoon in my mouth, and I've been fortunate to have
great spiritual teachers, and I do apply these spiritual teachings in
my life, and there's been great transformation. But you just
“gumped” right into it. I mean, you went about this ego death
suicide of yours, and there was no formal spiritual training or
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