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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

to me that if you had been a woman, you would surely have been<br />

raped and maybe killed in some of these ways that you just said,<br />

come on? You let gangs up into your apartment that you didn't<br />

know, and all kinds of crazy stuff. Do you think the path you took,<br />

this total surrender to life that you took, is something that a<br />

woman could also take? Would you recommend this path to your<br />

daughter if you had one?<br />

JERRY WENNSTROM: Yes, it's not about men or woman. I have<br />

a personal mantra, there's either a God of everything, or there's a<br />

God of nothing. And yes, if I had a daughter I would say, you find<br />

your relationship <strong>with</strong> that, and do whatever it takes to live it out.<br />

I don't think it means being fool hardy, I don't think it means<br />

doing ridiculous things. I think it means being present and<br />

sensing the moment, and meeting the call of that moment.<br />

I mean, I have a friend who in New York City was walking down<br />

the street and this gang came up to her, and she's this little short<br />

person; tiny little attractive person. So this gang came up to her<br />

and started making comments. And she told me a story, I mean,<br />

it was her story, and it's her details, but in some way she was able<br />

to transform that moment by being present in a different way that<br />

both embodied her innocence and her fierce attention to what was<br />

going on. And, again if there's a limit… I mean, it was no different<br />

for me, I mean the stories you've read, I've walked in some of the<br />

most terrifying situations, I didn't create them, they came up in a<br />

moment that I happened to be where I was at the time, and things<br />

happened. I didn't go looking for it, I wouldn't suggest any woman<br />

go looking for those kinds of experiences. What I'm saying is if<br />

they happen be fully present <strong>with</strong> it, and it's like…<br />

TRIP: Well let's talk about one of those, so people know what<br />

we're talking about. Here's one, and there were so many, I mean<br />

your life is full of these, but here's just one. You came home late at<br />

night one night, and there was a whole like gang of African<br />

American homeless men that were right there in your loft entry<br />

way. And they were drinking, and they looked very suspicious,<br />

and they said, can we come up? And you're the guy that when<br />

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