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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

okay and some feelings are not okay. That's a really, really simple<br />

way of talking about what human beings are basically doing on a<br />

most basic level, they're trying to escape the not okay feelings, not<br />

okay thoughts, not okay feelings, and reach okay someday. We're<br />

trying to escape not okay and reach okay. But the real okay that<br />

we're looking for is actually there even in the not okay.<br />

WIZARD: So it's the non-accepting that becomes our suffering?<br />

JEFF FOSTER: Exactly. I'm wondering even in a toddler who's<br />

throwing a tantrum, I'm wondering in their experience if there's<br />

some place <strong>with</strong>in their experience where they're not feeling okay,<br />

and it's like they're screaming for okay in a way. In a way we don't<br />

really essentially change from when we're two years old to when<br />

we're 90 years old, in some ways we're screaming to be okay.<br />

Where in the beginning we're screaming for mother, or as we get<br />

older we scream for the next drink, or the next cigarette;, we find<br />

more complicated ways, more mature ways, and more civilized<br />

ways. You have tantrums; we have more civilized tantrums as we<br />

get older. But I think the basic mechanism is in place from a very<br />

early age.<br />

TRIP: I have a question. One of the nice things about having<br />

radio shows is you get to ask your esteemed guests your own<br />

personal questions. And they really are helpful, the answers. I'm<br />

thinking a lot of people could probably benefit from your answer<br />

to this, and I don't know if there is an answer. But one area that<br />

I'm still I have to say suffering pretty heavily is this caretaking of<br />

my children. Okay, my kids, particularly one of my kids, is<br />

constantly resisting what the other caregivers of the children and I<br />

would agree are habits and things that are absolutely necessary for<br />

like their wellbeing. So, for example, the child resists eating<br />

appropriate foods, getting enough rest, brushing her teeth, doing<br />

even any of the ordinary things that you need to do in order to<br />

have a life that's going to be okay. And that's what it feels like,<br />

right. Everyone in the world is screaming at you, you've got to<br />

make sure this kid is dressed properly, they've got enough food, or<br />

whatever. I can't seem to stop suffering from, and I'm locked into<br />

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