Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
So I guess I just became more and more willing to experience life
without the labels and because recognizing myself, recognizing
who I really was, who I really am, and it wasn't Jeff. Jeff is this
amazing character, the story of Jeff that appears and disappears,
but what I am seems to be this, ultimately you can't talk about it,
but what I seem to be is this open space, call it consciousness, or
awareness, or being, or call it nothing, or call don't speak about it,
it doesn't really matter because it's present. So in recognizing
myself as that open space, it was like, ah, so really what I am is just
this space in which all thoughts can come and go. All the thoughts
I call positive and all the thoughts I call negative, they're actually
all just about to come and go. And all the feelings, ah, so all the
feelings are allowed to come and go. I just thought, because I'd
been conditioned to believe that some feelings were okay, and all
the rest weren't okay. Like some feelings are good, some feelings
are bad; some feelings are blah, blah, blah. But those are just all
the labels, and really without the labels I really have no way of
knowing what I'm experiencing. There's just a Mystery, there's
this total Mystery of this moment. I have no way of knowing what
this is. We call this sadness, we call this fear, this is a hand, this is
a foot, and this is a chair. I don't know. This is what we've been
taught. That's a tree, that's a flower, this is a body, that's a
thought, this is fear, and this is pain. But really underneath the
label I really don't know. So it's like living in that not knowing
because that's what we are, I mean that's what I am, and that's
what you are, and that's what everyone is.
TRIP: This is a silly question, but I thought you might be able to
answer it. We're a show on "spirituality", but I don't know what
spirituality really is, and I have no formal education in any of this.
I have yet to come in contact with anybody on our show, or anyone
that I would call spiritual that wasn't practicing some form of
either Advaita or Neo-Advaita or non dual wisdom. So are there
other brands of spirituality out there besides nondual spirituality?
I don't know what they are, because everything else would be like a
religion. Like I used to think Wiccan was spirituality, but that's a
religion.
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