Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
to do anything but that? [Laughs] I mean, it's not all I do all day
long, but when I have the occasion to do it, it's just the most
wonderful thing. And people are very amenable; they're dying for
this.
TRIP: I don't really have a question here for you, but I'm going to
go into a subject area that you could share, but you have a
wonderful relationship with your husband, Peter.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes, my partner.
TRIP: It's a very sexual juicy relationship, and you don't shy away,
you don't have a graphic book here or whatever, but you don't shy
away from what a beautiful, wonderful, touchy-feely, warm,
sensual relationship you have with him, and how at times the two
of you just completely disappear and merge as one. I don't know,
would you like to comment on the potential of a relationship as a
mirror into that which here seems to be, although in some ways he
doesn't take the interest in the same way that you do, or maybe he
does, but he has a different way of looking at it than you do. Do
you have anything to say, share, about your relationship?
JAN FRAZIER: I think about this and talking about my
relationship, I'd like to talk about the larger thing which I think is
what is of interest if I'm understanding you right. And this is very
much of interest to me that often people tend to think that the socalled
spiritual life is apart from the physical, from pleasure, or
from just a regular human life. I don't think they're at odds at all. I
mean, love between partners does have a physical expression and,
everything else we do as people; hunger, physical activity, dance,
sex, sleep, sickness, everything we do is some form, expression,
manifestation, of the larger reality. And so there's a dance that
takes place between any two people that are in any kind of a
relationship, but including the one between lovers, that of course
it's going to have physical stuff in it too. And when love is in the
picture, when there's a very deep love in the picture, and even for
just one of the people if love no longer has attachment or the need
to make anything be different from what it is, then it's the most
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