Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
with all its potential for bringing about peace and wellbeing". I
liked that.
WIZARD: Yes.
TRIP: You really do a magnificent job of explaining the way a
person normally looks at the world and themselves before they
wake up to the underlying reality, and then the way it is after. And
maybe you could comment on this. But here's one before and after
thing that you point out, you said your old life was a string of good
moments that felt like they made life worthwhile maybe. Now you
have no need for those moments, the substance and joy of life no
longer derive from the environment, or from the particular
present, nor are they dependent any way upon anything external
to you. And then you say there are three conspicuous features of
this new way of knowing, you say there's the knowledge that
arrives fully informed, the clarity comes effortlessly, and you have
a high degree of certainty of the rightness of understanding. So
anyways, I just love the way you talk about the difference.
[Laughs]
WIZARD: Peace.
JAN FRAZIER: It's interesting to hear this; it's been a long time
since I read the book. But the thing about clarity and certainty, I
mean I still experience it that way, and I'm not sure maybe I knew
this then too. But what occurs to me as I hear you read that is that
often what attends the clarity is a knowing that in the very next
few moments the clarity could point to something different, that
there's nothing sustaining or consistent. I don't have any impulse
to try and bank on something or hold on to it or know that it's
going to continue to be true. All I have is to really be real and at no
distance from reality right Now, and whatever needs to happen
will be clear or will just happen. But it's over the next moment,
whatever that was. And the whole experience of momentariness
and everything being subject to change, and nothing really being
knowable in any lasting way, has just become more and more of a
real presence in my life.
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