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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
enormously important to me, and again I think the value of it
primarily was that there was something external to me that I could
look at and say, there's a human being that is also beyond a human
being, and I feel this peacefulness in her presence. But you're
right, I did ascribe to her, but I think the whole point of that was
to… and she made this point herself, the whole point of that is to
help people experience it as themselves. So once I began to really
experience it myself, I stopped being so enthralled with the outer
form of anything, including an idea of God.
WIZARD: The egolessness of one who appears to serve in one's
own affirmation is that perfect mirror. So that you've got a hunch
and a taste of it, you had the stroke of grace that gives one the ears
to hear and the eyes to see, and then you meet one, it affirms that,
and if that one is egoless then there are no strings attached in that
affirmation. And one becomes ones… that reflection is just a
reflection, there is no other.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes.
WIZARD: And I mean I had mine as Trip says, many Shaman and
different folks along the way, but they were all very human, very
ordinary, and human in every way. But yet they were able to
affirm that, and one of my spiritual mentors counseled me to take
the message and leave the messenger, that was the true wisdom.
TRIP: Jan, you wrote something I really liked, in fact I liked
everything you wrote. But here's something you said, you said, "I
used to think enlightenment was rising above humanity". I did
too. "Now I see it's coming fully into it", that is why Meryl-Wolf
who affirmed you in a book that you read says, "That the moment
of enlightenment is not the end, not a resting place for a person. It
is rather only the beginning of a process; it is when we begin fully
to live. Liberation enables a person to finally thoroughly occupy
the skin of a life, when fear leaves, when desire for all the longed
for things evaporates in the presence of overwhelming light, then a
person comes alive to the possibility of fully liberated humanity
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