Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
in the world, or my life. But even when those times come of the
joy, or the pain, the neutrality is there. It's almost like it depends
on how close in I'm coming to the familiar human way of
experiencing something versus sensing the bigger paradigm, I
don't know what to call it, but the largeness feels profoundly
neutral. And there are times when in order to interact with people,
especially people I have close relationships with, it feels important
for me to step closer in away from the neutrality that I always feel
because it can look to another person like I don't care. It's a very
interesting dilemma, and it's something I guess over time I've
cultivated in a sense, it just naturally happens, the moving back
and forth between those things.
WIZARD: Yes, the dispassion is natural.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes.
TRIP: You mentioned that that same quality appeared in your
teacher Gurumayi who when she would leave all of you, and at that
particular time I think you identified her as being maybe the
source to some degree of your realization maybe, but I think
you've moved away from that. But at the time you had it when she
went away she didn't really seem to care all that much about it, or
whatever, and you noticed that lack of concern that she had, even
for all of your suffering in her absence. And I think maybe that
made an impression on you, yes, at the time you spoke about that?
JAN FRAZIER: She would show great compassion for us because
she knew what we were going through. But at the same time I
could see that in the face of all kinds of things, not just that, in the
face of some disaster some place in the world or something close
up, someone that she knew who had died, I could see that she
could feel very deeply for the other people, but she herself seemed
unchanged by it, and that I always marveled at that, and noticed it.
TRIP: I've got things I want to share; beautiful ways of looking at
reality that you have in your book, but I also have a couple of
things I want to challenge you on. So here's one I want to
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