Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
JAN FRAZIER: No. At the time it appeared that way to me
because that was the order in which things happened. And of
course I don't really know what happened; the more time goes by
the clearer I get about the limits of my ability to understand
anything. But I'll just tell you how it seems to me, and it is
different to how it seemed at the time I wrote the book. My hunch
is that, and I must tell you that I think I've discovered this from
talking with other people, and witnessing what goes on with them,
so I've noticed this in other people, and now I'm applying it to
myself. My hunch is that I was ready, something in me was
already ready to be done, and something in me had below the level
of conscious awareness seen through the charade of fear. So my,
and I'm putting this in quotes, "Asking for that to happen", or my
prayer, or whatever that was, was just an articulation of something
that in fact had already just then taken place or was ready to take
place. Just like I think we have teachers or we pray to God or
something, because we have minds and egos, it helps us to
externalize this thing, to orient to it as though it's outside
ourselves. So I think my making that wish was a way of being able
to look at something that I was ready to know the deep Truth.
WIZARD: When you exhaust your remedies, then you're very ripe.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes, yes. And I think that the extremity of the
piling on of suffering is just a way of making us see what's been
there to see all along, but for some of us, including me, it takes
ganging up on oneself to cause the obvious thing to become
obvious.
WIZARD: Yes, you have a paradigm shift, but afterwards there's
that… an old Baptist preacher told me in my youth when I had my
paradigm shift and I was so excited and everything about it. He
said, "Well, what happens is the old way, old outlook, doesn't
completely go away, and there's a struggle between the two
different outlooks". And in Christian speak it is called tribulation
as the non-physical reality is in conflict with the I-thought and the
I am the body notion, and there's the tribulation between those
two paradigms, that's the paradox.
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