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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
And I thought that was very insightful; I think that people that are
very fearful somehow feel that if they will just be fearful enough
they're okay.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes, yes. The irony of it, right? And I don't think
I understood that when I was caught up in fear, I think it's
something I saw only looking back. That's very common for us; so
much fear comes out of wishing we could control what we know
we can't. So there's this craziness about it, because even though
we know we can't control the future largely, or at all, and we know
we can't predict it, we still wish we could but something in us
knows better. And then we'll think anything that's done in
response to that is going to feel a little crazy and just one of those
things is what you just mentioned there, that we think if we can
just generate enough negative or painful emotion in opposition to
the feared thing that somehow maybe that'll either keep it from
happening, or prepare us for it when it does. And of course
neither one of those things is true. And so often we got through
that and the thing we were afraid of never even materializes, so we
truly went through it for nothing, but we're going through it for
nothing even if it does materialize.
TRIP: Now you have a theory about the reason you dropped your
intense fears of developing breast cancer, and your theory butts up
against one of my cherished concepts, nonduality concepts, so I
want to ask you about this. Okay.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes.
TRIP: Your theory is that on the heels of many years of suffering
from this fear of breast cancer, and oh my gosh, I mean it was
intense, I mean every time you had to go there you were just
totally fearful, and somebody had to come with you, you were just
sweating bullets. Anyways, one day you asked to be released from
that fear, you said, release me from this fear, and you have this
theory that it was the asking that precipitated the release from the
fear. Do you still feel that way?
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