Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
flame take my face in its delicate fingers and love the bones of my
cheeks, my jaw, my teeth, tongue, eye sockets, until I glow, until I
melt, ferment, until there's no difference between me and fire,
between me and anything, between me and you. Beautiful!
WIZARD: The meltdown.
JAN FRAZIER: Yes.
TRIP: So the title of your book is When Fear Falls Away: The
Story of a Sudden Awakening, you awoke suddenly, yes, but it
took years for that to transition from an initial giddiness into a
more sublime existence. Isn't that so, the awakening was just a
spark?
JAN FRAZIER: Yes. Often when somebody first has a significant
shift like that, there is a lot of giddiness because they're constantly
or I was constantly living in the contrast between how it is Now
and how it was all my life until Now. I think once you get used to
the new way, there is more of an even keel, and a calm and peace,
as opposed to constant ecstasy. And that takes time, that
definitely took time for me.
TRIP: You do a wonderful job of explaining the contrast between
those two states, the one that you were in, which was extremely
fearful, and how you are Now. And a good part of what we talk
about today is going to be sharing some of those insights, because
I found them very interesting and useful. But before we get there,
you have a theory on why you were so fearful, and you were fearful
about many things. You were fearful about breast cancer
possibility, you had fears about what might happen to your
children, and you had lots of fear. Fear governed you. You had
fear when you drove in the snow, your knuckles would be like
white on the steering wheel. You were pretty much bound up in
fear, and you had a theory on why you were so fearful, and I don't
know if you remember it, but I'll share it with you and then you
can comment on it. You said, your theory was, "That fear would
protect me, if I'm scared enough the boogey man won't get me".
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