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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages making a choice, which is unconscious, I really agree with you there, in most cases. The will is actually very, very close to and almost synonymous with, at least in the highest reaches of it, this nondual awareness of pure love, of divine being and presence. ILONA CIUNATE: Well I think there is will, but there is no free will, nothing is free. PAUL NAGY: Well that sounds like an economic choice that we won't talk about that. [Laughs] TRIP: I agree with you, Ilona. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It's like people want to have, they want to have their free will and then they want to be liberated. No, you're either not a chooser, which is liberation, you're not a separate individual, which is liberation, or you are. And so if you're not a chooser there's no free will, right. There's no free will, Ilona, is that right? I agree with you. ILONA CIUNATE: There is a will, it's happening, but it's not free. TRIP: Not free. [Laughs] ILONA CIUNATE: There is no one to choose. WIZARD: So Thy will does not suffer the dilemma of apparent choice, it just is. ILONA CIUNATE: Yes. PAUL NAGY: Well I think we're in the point of view of universal love and of oneness, Thy will and my will are the same will, and there is no difference whatsoever. Where the difference comes is in the following narrative, in other words, it's the stories we're telling ourselves afterwards, it's not before. WIZARD: In the acceptance. ILONA CIUNATE: Subtitles about life. 220
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages WIZARD: The acceptance of it. PAUL NAGY: So that it's not that there is no free will, it's that there is no determination that is above will, and that you yourself at this point of pure love are completely free. In fact for me the definition, the best definition, for realization is freedom and what are you free from? You're free from anything you don't want to be burdened by, so you're free from suffering. And you're also free from other burdens of whatever is around. And you can be free to be happy, and you can free to think, and you can free to not think as you well want to do. WIZARD: So this domicile of the free, which I would call Now. PAUL NAGY: I do agree that the only way to the domicile of the free is Now. I definitely agree. The way you get in the door is through the door. WIZARD: So Now has no second. PAUL NAGY: I agree. WIZARD: And Now is seamless. PAUL NAGY: Right, there's no past Now and no future Now. WIZARD: And there's no duality. PAUL NAGY: There's only Now, right Now. WIZARD: So there's no duality in Now, this is when you cross over the line. PAUL NAGY: And you're completely free in that Now. WIZARD: That's the domicile of the free. PAUL NAGY: And the thing about that is that there are no limitations to it. 221
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