Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
making a choice, which is unconscious, I really agree with you
there, in most cases. The will is actually very, very close to and
almost synonymous with, at least in the highest reaches of it, this
nondual awareness of pure love, of divine being and presence.
ILONA CIUNATE: Well I think there is will, but there is no free
will, nothing is free.
PAUL NAGY: Well that sounds like an economic choice that we
won't talk about that. [Laughs]
TRIP: I agree with you, Ilona. You can't have your cake and eat it
too. It's like people want to have, they want to have their free will
and then they want to be liberated. No, you're either not a
chooser, which is liberation, you're not a separate individual,
which is liberation, or you are. And so if you're not a chooser
there's no free will, right. There's no free will, Ilona, is that right?
I agree with you.
ILONA CIUNATE: There is a will, it's happening, but it's not free.
TRIP: Not free. [Laughs]
ILONA CIUNATE: There is no one to choose.
WIZARD: So Thy will does not suffer the dilemma of apparent
choice, it just is.
ILONA CIUNATE: Yes.
PAUL NAGY: Well I think we're in the point of view of universal
love and of oneness, Thy will and my will are the same will, and
there is no difference whatsoever. Where the difference comes is
in the following narrative, in other words, it's the stories we're
telling ourselves afterwards, it's not before.
WIZARD: In the acceptance.
ILONA CIUNATE: Subtitles about life.
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