Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: Well she's not arguing with you, Paul, she's not suggesting
that their method of looking, or encouraging people to really look
for that lack of separate self. That's not in conflict with what
you're saying.
PAUL NAGY: I'm sure it isn't, but me, I always like to…
TRIP: Mr. Contrary.
PAUL NAGY: No, it's not necessarily contrary; it's just that I like
to broaden the palate.
TRIP: But we have a different thing here, because we're having a
little conversation here between ourselves and with you, Ilona.
But on this thing about the experiment with the person not really
making the decision, six seconds after it was already made, and
then they have a conscious decision gets made, or whatever. And
then you discussed how the mind is a tool, and all that. My point
is that obviously if something is already decided without any
mental conscious thought about it, then that is completely
extraneous, okay. It's obviously not necessary to have any
narrative go on in your mind to operate exactly the way you would
have without the narrative. Because science now shows, and this
is for people who require science to prove everything, science now
shows the decision is made prior to the conscious narrative in your
mind.
PAUL NAGY: Well actually it's in traditional psychology;
psychology goes back to the middle ages, goes back to the ancient
world. The will, which is where you make decisions, and your
thinking processes were always considered as separate. So if
you're saying that you need to think about something in order to
make a choice you're confusing levels of the mind, because the will
doesn't need to have reasons. Reasons come in the wake of a
choice you make. I've known people who think that they have to
think something to make a choice, and they always have a hard
time choosing because they're using the wrong faculty. And this
will that we're talking about, which is supposedly where we're
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