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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages much. So he says he just gets out of the way and I do what I do, he's happy about it. [Laughing] TRIP: Well, he's a smart man to get out of the way. ILONA CIUNATE: You can't make anyone see. Well, it's got to come from deep within the desire to see; you can't make anyone see it. PAUL NAGY: Actually there is some debate about that, there are people around who are naturally awake, and it doesn't come as an event in their life, they're just naturally awake. I don't know too many of them, I haven't run into too many of them. I usually run into people like me who have struggled for most of our life trying to figure out what I already knew. But the fact of the matter is... is putting a scenario on this thing, that it happens one way or another, that one has to be lost before one can be found, which is the normal scenario that some people thing about this, is it doesn't show up. In other words there are people around who always found… I think I’m lost… did we just lose something. ILONA CIUNATE: No. PAUL NAGY: Actually you just unplugged me that is what you did. Sorry, I have no feedback, so I'm not sure I'm saying anything. WIZARD: Wiggle your wire. PAUL NAGY: Yes, okay, now I'm back again. See that, no feedback, see I was lost and then I became found. WIZARD: Just a little wiggle. PAUL NAGY: There's a perfect example of the electronic serendipity. 218
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages TRIP: Well she's not arguing with you, Paul, she's not suggesting that their method of looking, or encouraging people to really look for that lack of separate self. That's not in conflict with what you're saying. PAUL NAGY: I'm sure it isn't, but me, I always like to… TRIP: Mr. Contrary. PAUL NAGY: No, it's not necessarily contrary; it's just that I like to broaden the palate. TRIP: But we have a different thing here, because we're having a little conversation here between ourselves and with you, Ilona. But on this thing about the experiment with the person not really making the decision, six seconds after it was already made, and then they have a conscious decision gets made, or whatever. And then you discussed how the mind is a tool, and all that. My point is that obviously if something is already decided without any mental conscious thought about it, then that is completely extraneous, okay. It's obviously not necessary to have any narrative go on in your mind to operate exactly the way you would have without the narrative. Because science now shows, and this is for people who require science to prove everything, science now shows the decision is made prior to the conscious narrative in your mind. PAUL NAGY: Well actually it's in traditional psychology; psychology goes back to the middle ages, goes back to the ancient world. The will, which is where you make decisions, and your thinking processes were always considered as separate. So if you're saying that you need to think about something in order to make a choice you're confusing levels of the mind, because the will doesn't need to have reasons. Reasons come in the wake of a choice you make. I've known people who think that they have to think something to make a choice, and they always have a hard time choosing because they're using the wrong faculty. And this will that we're talking about, which is supposedly where we're 219
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WIZARD: Be still. Conversations wit
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WIZARD: Amen. Conversations with Av
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