Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: So go with what wants to happen.
TRIP: I have to say I'm very impressed with your natural sagelikeness
[Laughs]. I mean, you've really conducted a searching
inquiry and you don't have some guru or anything, right, you're
just there with your husband, living your life?
ILONA CIUNATE: Yes. The guru is a cat. [Laughing] Yes, we
can't live without our cat. Yes, I'm a normal human, I'm not a
guru, and I’m not teaching anyone or anything. I see there is
nothing to teach, it's better to show somebody how to find the
Truth for themselves, way much better than to convince somebody
that's the Truth.
WIZARD: That's beautiful.
ILONA CIUNATE: This is how you should think.
WIZARD: That is absolutely beautiful.
ILONA CIUNATE: Thank you.
TRIP: You can't convince somebody else of the Truth. And what’s
interesting is that if you're already convinced then everything you
see is a confirmation, but if you're not already convinced there's
nothing that you can see that's going to provide confirmation.
WIZARD: Once you cross the line, then everything affirms that.
ILONA CIUNATE: Exactly, you read Buddha sentence, you know
exactly what he was talking about. You look at the plants and it's
obvious, the plant grows by itself, no one is growing the plant in
there, why would human being different.
PAUL NAGY: Let's go back to your statement about this brain
scan that you were so impressed by. The fact of the matter is that
back in the '70s, even as late as the ‘ 80s, there were serious
neuroscientists that said there is no evidence whatsoever of
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