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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

PAUL NAGY: I mean, it is giving a very special meaning to the<br />

word conscience, and the way that you described it there, the way<br />

you described your meaning of it, you were still investing<br />

conscience <strong>with</strong> super egoity, which is common, this is one of the<br />

reasons why somebody came along and tried to separate them and<br />

say they're not the same, that they exist on two real levels, and one<br />

is authentic, in that it represents your true self. And even if your<br />

true self has no sense of personal egoity, you're still going to have a<br />

conscience. This is a big deal because there are a lot of people out<br />

there, who get a sense of egolessness, and they're psychotic, and<br />

they're crazy, and they do terrible things.<br />

TRIP: Okay, I hear you. I want to thank you, Ilona, for putting<br />

this video up on your website though. What it was, just to remind<br />

you, if you can't remember, but it was a fantastic video where they<br />

took a man into a brain scanning device, it was a CAT scan thing,<br />

okay, and…<br />

ILONA CIUNATE: Oh, yes, that's the best bit.<br />

TRIP: Okay, that blew my mind not because I needed further<br />

confirmation of that lack of the personal self, but it was scientific<br />

confirmation of it. For people who really need science to<br />

authenticate everything, this ought to have been a real<br />

mindblower. Because it took a guy into this CAT scan machine,<br />

and they gave him an opportunity to make a decision about<br />

something. And his decision was either going to be the right hand<br />

pressing a button was one decision, or the left hand pressing a<br />

button was another decision. And they watched his brain, they<br />

asked him the question, and six full seconds before the man<br />

actually formulated a conscious decision in his mind, they can<br />

already tell what his decision is going to be. Wow. That means<br />

that before anything that we would identify as our self, which is<br />

this me that has this conversation in my head all the time, or<br />

whatever.<br />

WIZARD: That's your Self.<br />

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