Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: And then the waking reality is another consciousness.
And if they put us to sleep to operate to have surgery on us, we
lose consciousness.
PAUL NAGY: Actually we don't. The secret of what we call nonconsciousness,
or consciousness without an object, or
consciousness without experience of time and place, that's where
for most people, is where the unity of existence is buried. It's
buried under that veil.
WIZARD: It's the same as sentience.
PAUL NAGY: Yes.
WIZARD: But consciousness is like a word balloon that balloons
from sentience or awareness.
PAUL NAGY: Okay, well you're using consciousness and the
terms of awareness of…
WIZARD: A subject and an object in the word balloon world.
PAUL NAGY: Yes, and in that way one of the reasons why
sometimes we use the word awareness or the consciousness
without an object, but it can be used both ways.
TRIP: Well I want to get back to Ilona here in a sec, but I want to
say, Paul, that in response to what you just said that I still feel that
the conscience, this conscience that you talk about is still part and
parcel of an idea of one's self as a separate individual. And the
moral behavior that is definitely something that we would all like
to see exhibited by ourselves and by the culture we live in,
becomes a bi-product of the very lack of sense of personal
selfhood, moral behavior is the natural bi-product of the loss of
the sense of you as a separate individual. And therefore like
conscience is something that a person whose still invested in
themselves as a separate individual…
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