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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

So from that started my own deconstruction, but I never saw the<br />

no self after reading Jed McKenna, it took a little while later. So<br />

once I looked at that question directly, is it really a self and I<br />

started to doubt everything I knew. And then of course it showed<br />

up, of course there is no self, what are you people talking about,<br />

and how come I never ever actually questioned that, that seems<br />

really, really strange. So that is the question, is there really a self,<br />

a self behind the word self, yeah.<br />

WIZARD: So the I-thought is just a belief.<br />

ILONA CIUNATE: Yes.<br />

WIZARD: Yes.<br />

ILONA CIUNATE: So we never look… I'm sorry, yeah.<br />

WIZARD: So there's not a who we are, the who is an imaginary<br />

belief, just an insentient thought.<br />

ILONA CIUNATE: Exactly.<br />

TRIP: Well I wanted to thank you for putting something up on<br />

your website there that blew my mind, and Paul, you'll find this<br />

interesting if you go and check this out. <strong>The</strong>re was a neuroscience<br />

and freewill video that you put up there, and you talked about, you<br />

called it the judge, remember?<br />

ILONA CIUNATE: Yes.<br />

TRIP: You go ahead. If you want to speak a minute about this<br />

judging self that we all have, and then if you want to also about<br />

that video. But anything that you forget to say I'll say because that<br />

thing blew me away.<br />

ILONA CIUNATE: Okay. Well, it's really difficult for me to<br />

remember now a year later, how it really was to live in that,<br />

judging all the time. But I still can remember and I still see that<br />

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