Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
ILONA CIUNATE: I read one book since then, it was about
Buddhism and it clearly pointed exactly that way, but I never
heard about it before. So discovered first, and then read about it.
WIZARD: So it's the discovery of what we are is Now without any
conditions, is that what you're saying?
ILONA CIUNATE: Yes. The discovery of what is and what isn't as
in what a fantasy is and what is happening right Now without
thinking about it.
WIZARD: Yes.
TRIP: So are you able to put that into words for yourself?
ILONA CIUNATE: Why? You don't need words, live it.
TRIP: Well you help people, I've looked at some of the
conversations people who are still blocked, who are still invested
in the idea of themselves as a separate person. And I noticed that
you and others in your group help people through this process of
clearly seeing the reality of no self, and it's a dialogue that you
enter into with them, a questioning. Do you want to talk about
how that goes down, where someone who's really invested in the
idea; because almost everybody is heavily invested in the idea of
themselves as a separate person. What is this modality of
questioning or looking that you have discovered that you feel is a
direct and fairly easy way for people to see the Truth of no self?
ILONA CIUNATE: Okay. I read this Jed McKenna's book, and
one thing that struck was it's always about the next question. So I
figure that the mind needs to figure something out, and yes, it's
always about the next question. And people don't know what to
ask exactly, and when I read Jed McKenna's books I went into a
depression and deconstruction of belief, and saw that all beliefs
are just stories, and we learn them from others. And no one ever
questions that.
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