Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
ways that supposed to exist outside of cognition. Can you find it
where there's no cognition? Can you find it where it's independent
of pieces and parts? Can you strip away all the pieces and parts
and still find the object? Or the third way of being independent is,
can you find it totally independent of causes and conditions? Like
if there were no hands that made the watch, could the watch exist?
And you might think, “Well no, that's stupid, who would ever think
that a watch could exist without being created?” But when you
think about how you think of objects, you think about them as
though they are already pre-existent, already like obeying that
template, at least I did. I had a really, really strong sense of proper
inherent existence for most of my life, much of my life before I get
these nondual investigations. So conventional existence is okay,
inherent existence is the root of all suffering in that teaching.
WIZARD: So in a dream it all happens, it all arises at the same
time without any history or anything, it just appears.
GREG GOODE: Yes, and actually if there's a sense that there's a
history to it, the history arises with the thing itself.
WIZARD: Yes.
GREG GOODE: It's all like the story that all coexist at that
moment, and in that moment it seems like it has its history, it has
a kogal chain behind it.
WIZARD: And you look at the Rolex watch in the dream, and it
looks absolutely real.
GREG GOODE: Right. And you are able to see the dream as a
dream once you've reached the waking state, and that helps you
see that the dream itself was a creator of the watch. It seems to
have those links and ties that they didn't.
WIZARD: It seems to me like there's a sentience that seamless, it
goes into the dream, or the waking, or even the dreamless. Like if
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