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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages parallel with this witnessing awareness that observes it. And when shit hits the fan, it gets felt and experienced but it's seen through, so I guess, even though I don't have choice, I get off on pretending that I do. [Laughs] I don't know… WIZARD: That's biology. TRIP: Exactly. I'm going to have fun with the pretending to have choice, what can I say. GREG GOODE: Why not! TRIP: Your mind has engaged in very detailed reasoning on the nature of reality, and it seems that one of the benefits of that reasoning that you've really conducted quite exhaustively is what you call the end of the conception of inherent existence; I think that's an extremely important point. Can you explain inherent existence versus existence? GREG GOODE: This switches gears a little bit, this terminology comes from the emptiness teachings, so it has a little bit different background from the teachings we've talked about so far. But what inherent existence means is the existence of something that is totally self-sufficient, that stands on its own, so would be independent of cognition. Like it would be something out there that exists, whether it's yourself, whether it's your body, whether it's the rock in the street, whether it's a thought, whether it is a moral goodness versus moral evil, whatever it is, it would exist without any help from cognition, without any help from causes and conditions, and without any help from pieces and parts, from things that are compounded. And so much of my life, I really resonate with these teachings, because for much of my life I had thought that that's how things do exist, that's the only way for a thing to really be a thing is for it to be by itself, for it to not depend on anything else. And we've 190
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages had philosophical teachings in the West that say that's exactly how things exist, like the Platonic forms, and there have been some versions of the New Age teachings that say that whatever exists, like a planet, and the Earth, a person, plan for your life, whatever it is, exists first in the “causal” level, then in the various mental levels, and the esoteric level, then finally the physical levels. The things go from subtle to the gross, but they exist in this subtle way as pre-existing templates. So that's an example of something that would exist inherently, like the template. Nothing is helping that template to exist, the template exists whether I think it does or not. So we have teachings that actually promote the notion of inherent existence. But what the emptiness teachings do is to investigate whether things exist inherently as we suspect they do and we find out in every case they don't. And, Trip, you mentioned inherent existence as opposed to existence, so is there any other kind of existence? Well, the other existence that the teachings talk about is conventional existence, or what we used to say in the Army, "Good enough for Government work” kind of existence, like, I don't care whether my car keys exist inherently, I just want to use them to get to the store, that's all they need to do. If they can provide that function then they're good enough for me, but I'll say they exist. Good enough. Or like one of my heroes, Richard Rorty, would say, "You might wonder whether you have a real Rolex, but have you ever wondered whether your Rolex is real?" Like you want to know that you don't have a copy or a fake or a Fugazi Rolex, but let's say you went and bought your Rolex at an authorised dealer, does it need to be any more real than that? Do you ever wonder whether it's really, really, really ultra like real inherently existent? And he was against inherent existence as well, so people just don't need to care about that. And that's what the emptiness teachings teach you that you don't need to care about inherent existence. And so doing these emptiness meditations, which is basically another form of investigation, you look for the thing that's supposed to exist inherently. You look for it, you look for it in 191
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WIZARD: Be still. Conversations wit
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