Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
computer, that definitely qualifies, it seems to qualify something
other than what I am. But if we can understand our experience of
the computer as nothing other than awareness itself, then that
self-distinction between “I” and “other than I” evaporates. And
you see that the world is you, is awareness. So there doesn't seem
to be any distinction, any alienation or separation.
WIZARD: So there's no conflict between awareness and just
simply being here.
GREG GOODE: Yes, and whatever else arises. Actually you said it
much nicer than I said it, much more succinctly.
TRIP: I was thinking about your experiments, and I didn't know
what they were. But I was walking down my path today thinking
about this interview tonight, and also about your experiments, and
I noticed that a little block I was having was that the movement of
my perception as I was walking, created an illusion that there was
a separation from the object and the perceiver, because the
perceiver was moving and the objects weren't. And I don't know…
GREG GOODE: Yes, that's a good example of something that
shows up as an exception to being awareness, like if everything is
I-ness, if everything is awareness, then how come these exceptions
pop up? How come objects seem to move or I seem to move
among objects? That seems to falsify the nondualist insight that
everything is awareness. Beside you even said… Didn't you say the
movement of attention?
TRIP: No, I didn't say that, but go ahead.
GREG GOODE: Your experience today in your walk is an example
of something that these experiments would help one to see that
experience is not a matter of separation, like you actually don't
move and neither do the objects. Movement is just a conclusion, a
story, a thought, a thought that says “movement.” And a thought
doesn't move, but a thought can claim that movement is
happening.
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