Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
then at that moment Santa Claus goes down the drain. [Laughing]
A belief exists up until the lie is discovered, you see. And that is the
same thing with ignorance, which is a mere concept of a separate
identity, but the belief that consciousness is limited. And the way
to liberate yourself from it; is to investigate it. It's like this kid in
kindergarten, and there is this first grader telling him, Santa Claus
is a creation of our parents, and upon hearing that something is
awakened in him, that there’s something fishy about this story.
And then when he goes next time to Toys R Us, there's alertness in
him, and this alertness takes him to the real discovery at which
point the belief is solved. And it is the same here, the belief in
separate existence maintains itself up to the point which relies on
grace, you encounter a book, you encounter a birth, and
something, some otherness takes birth in you that eventually leads
to a discovery which liberates you beyond a shadow of a doubt.
WIZARD: Yes.
TRIP: Francis, is there anything that's on your mind that you
want to share. What's going on with you out there in your life, and
in your travels?
FRANCIS LUCILLE: I am looking at beautiful mountains in front
of me, beautiful Californian sky, not a single cloud, with a window,
and a beautiful morning. I'm going to play some tennis afterwards,
our life is a celebration.
TRIP: I'm a cage rattler, and I get pleasure out of knocking people
down a notch [Laughs], which I really would like to let go of. But
you say that a practice that comes out of the idea of being a
physical or mental being can't be called spiritual. So for folks out
there that perceive themselves to be, let's say, a yoga teacher, and
they're demonstrating to others what they perceive to be their
body, how to posture their body for better personal health. There's
nothing spiritual in that because the person's self perception is
that of being a separate person with a body, etc. Is that correct?
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