Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
FRANCIS LUCILLE: Yes. TRIP: You're dumbfounded
[Laughs]. Okay. One reason relatively few people consistently
walk the spiritual Truth that they know so well is that
the so-called ego or idea of oneself as a separate person loathes
the idea of becoming a *nobody*. I think that you probably are a
nobody in your own mind; I know the Wizard over here is a
nobody. How is it wonderful being a no-body?
FRANCIS LUCILLE: Well, what is wonderful is just being what
we truly are. It's not that much that we are a nobody, because
obviously right now as I speak , these words are being heard, and
there is something there, whatever we call that consciousness,
selves, I. So there is an I, a me, hearing. That is out of the
question. The proof is in the pudding in this very
moment. But that which is problematical, that which is a party
pooper in our lives is a belief, which is superimposed onto this I,
the belief that this I, which is hearing these words right now, is
limited, that for instance it was born and at some point it will die,
or that it is limited to one single body, or to one single mind. So
we shrink this presence, and as a result we experience a sense of
lack, a sense of separation. If there are things that are outside of
me, independent from me, they may threaten me or I may need
them, and as a result fear and desire are born, and
psychological suffering. Without superimposing any of those
limitationsonto this presence that we are, life is easy and we simply
go with the flow of it, we stop swimming against the current, we
let the current take us to the ocean.
TRIP: And that's more enjoyable than having things?
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