Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
EM BE: Anything can be like Santa Claus. There is no more Santa
Claus issue. And the I-thought is the doer, but it's only an
impression of doer, there is no doer, there's never been a doer.
Over and over I refer all of us to that, there is never any doer. It's
very difficult from the doer position to hear that, because it
negates the doer that is hearing that, so the doer will always argue
with that, it will say, well, if there is no doer then who is speaking
right now? It positions a doer where there is no doer, because
that's what the doer's position is, it's the function of the doer is to
position the doer and to have an ongoing love affair with itself,
with the impression of doership.
WIZARD: Yes, which is really narcissistic. In that belief, and for
the doer to affirm its primacy in being, it has to have the job of
doing something.
EM BE: Yes, right.
WIZARD: And that's where it feels its power.
EM BE: Yeah. What is so lovely about this, John is that the entire
play, the doership job and play, and love affair with itself, it is
happening in the spaciousness of Being. So even to say, I am
talking, there is an awareness of that very thought otherwise that
thought would not even be uttered. There is awareness that
precedes every feat. Again, using this language in a relative sense,
just as pointers, because really there is no before and after, it's not
a temporal dimension; just using the language in the relative
sense, always preceding every move, every thought, every
perception, and every sensation.
So even before the argument arises that, oh well, I am this, there is
a recognition, there is an awareness, a recognition of awareness of
that which is being point, which is being spoken, spoken of as
being me. So, yes, the entire play is happening in the spaciousness
of Being, and that spaciousness of being is formless, it has no place
where it starts, no direction where it goes, there is nothing, no
rules that are constraining it, or telling it how to be what it is, what
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