Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
further down the line, further down the road. At the time of
course I was so certain that I got it, and then it became clear that
in relationships, and this is where I saw it, there was in
relationships there were problems. With myself, okay, fine, but
with relationships, so that became the mirror for me to see
remnants of the doer, the self, and further down the line this was,
the further dissolution of that; and then finally quite recently in
the teachings of Francis Lucille, and Rupert Spira, the emerging of
the witness with the world, the seeming world and the witness
merging.
So, yeah, the inside-out, and being no doership, non-doer, that it is
as clear. Actually the world in the expression, I look at the world
and I see myself and I look at you and see myself. In words and in
language, it's really hard to say. No, I would say it's impossible to
really say what it's like, because only by crossing that line in the
sky [Laughs] will you really know for yourself what these words
really mean. And all the words now from this direction are just
pointers, just to stimulate and simulate the natural state and act as
a catalyst that one can… like a banana peel, you slide off it and find
yourself. It's what you are; it's up to what you are.
WIZARD: The I-thought is a doer going through this turning
inside out, loses its position as a primacy of being.
EM BE: Absolutely, absolutely.
WIZARD: And the primacy of being is the infinite. And the Ithought
is a belief, but it still arises, it's like seeing Santa Claus in
December. We know Santa Claus doesn't exist; it's just a belief but
Santa Claus still appears every December.
EM BE: Yeah. Once it's clear that Santa Claus is not real,
goodness…
WIZARD: He never was.
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