Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: Well, I don’t know whether I should bother with this
question because the Now is what thrills us, but, you’ve had an
amazing life. You worked in the military, you worked with
juvenile delinquents, you’re a psychotherapist, a speaker and
you’re in MENSA.
CHUCK HILLIG: I am in MENSA. I’m a life member of MENSA,
how did that ever happen?
TRIP: Did those roles, I guess each of those roles had to perfectly
prepare you for your current role as everyone else, right?
CHUCK HILLIG: They did and then when I look back at them,
I’m not attached to any of that stuff. That’s just part of the story
and if people are interested in the story I go, well, here’s a story, I
know I’m not that story but if you want to hear it just so that you
feel safer with me that I didn’t just suddenly manifest in front of
you, all right, here’s a story that you can have fun with and maybe
you can feel more comfortable with me by me sharing this nonexistent
story. Well, I won’t say it is non-existent. It existed, but
it’s not real.
TRIP: One of the things that you teach that’s a bit antithetical to
so much spiritual wisdom that I previously encountered was this
difference between what people normally do when they think
they’re on a spiritual path, which is they resist things that are
happening and then they feel that ultimately their job is to accept
them, but you say no.
CHUCK HILLIG: Right, that’s the usual norm when people,
they’re walking in their path of life and something shows up and
they resist it. The old axiom is “Whatever you resist tends to
persist.” So I say, move it to the next level which is, accept. And
people go, “Okay, I’m just going to accept how life is.” But
frequently, just that word, it sounds like well I’m just going to put
up with it, I’m going to tolerate it, I have to cope with it; so it
doesn’t really empower you at that point. But the next two levels
seem to be very empowering so that the third level is, when you
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