Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
the more gracious one becomes with paradox and ambiguity in
one’s life, the more beautiful life becomes. I’ve noticed the great
teachers like yourself are incredibly adept with paradox, I mean
there’s paradox dripping from every word on every page of your
books. It’s amazing.
CHUCK HILLIG: That is true and that’s a good observation, Trip.
TRIP: It’s wall-to-wall.
CHUCK HILLIG: I’m very comfortable with being on – in totally
contradictory places at the same time, to hold opposite views in
the same place at the same time. For some reason that fits very
comfortably with inside my heart of hearts; I just say yes to that,
it’s okay. As opposed to taking one extreme or the other, saying
this is right, this is wrong this is good, this is bad, this is what
should happen, this is what not should happen. But to embrace all
of it, to sit there and just open yourself up to everything, let
everything happen to you just as it does.
TRIP: You also say that you don’t have to figure it out because
when people try to figure it out, their mind contracts around them.
CHUCK HILLIG: This stuff is un-figure-out-able and yet there’s a
part of us that wants to figure it out but the very moment that you
put any energy into trying to figure out is the same moment that
you caught yourself in the wonderful wacky world of duality where
you are the one who wants to know and this thing over here is the
thing that wants to be known. But there’s separation then at that
point.
WIZARD: Yes, innocence is putting that capital “M” on the
Mystery and trusts in it.
CHUCK HILLIG: Yes, it’s all a Mystery.
TRIP: I remember watching that scene of G.W. standing on that
aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf with the mission accomplished
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