Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
though, is yes, I embrace it exactly in totality exactly the way that
it is. No exceptions, not one exception.
WIZARD: No models.
CHUCK HILLIG: No models at all. You just say yes to it. See, it’s
only the ego that says no. It’s the ego that superimposes
something on top of it, saying, “No, things should not be this way.
Things should be a different way. Or, I know what should be
happening; I know what should be unfolding.” Well, I’d like to
posit that maybe you don’t. Maybe things should be just the way
that they are.
TRIP: Right, and you say, “Things always work out as soon as you
give up your idea of what working out is supposed to look like.”
CHUCK HILLIG: Yes.
WIZARD: Yes.
CHUCK HILLIG: Yes, exactly and this idea, of what you had
mentioned earlier – this becoming a truly appreciative audience.
It’s easy to appreciate all the beautiful sunsets and the nice music
and the dance and the nice glass of wine; it’s wonderful to
appreciate that. But can you also appreciate the garbage dump?
Can you appreciate the chaos in the world? You turn on the TV,
you read the paper– can you appreciate all of that? Can you thank
all of that for showing up to play in your play? All of these dream
characters are playing in your play and part of who you need to be
is just to acknowledge and to own that and to love them, truly,
truly deeply, powerfully love them being in all of that chaos. Love
them deeply.
WIZARD: Beautifully said.
TRIP: At the core of your teaching – and I think this is true of
anyone who wants to abide in this essence of who they are – is this
comfort ability with ambiguity and with paradox. I’ve noticed that
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