Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
one particular thing. Now both you and the Wizard dissolved
away during that experience, but for myself I would say that when
I woke up, the sense of me as a separate person with a separate
sentience located in my cranium, that dissolved. But there was
still an awareness of my body as an apparent object; no more solid
maybe than the room or anything else; no more mind. But the
idea of it as separate, that dissolved away. I just thought I’d throw
out there maybe for people who feel that they haven’t been
enlightened, that maybe they have simply in the experience of
their lack of separateness.
WIZARD: Your window pane is pretty clear. Mine needed
dynamite. [Laughter]
CHUCK HILLIG: Well, the greatest obstacle according to Ramana
Maharshi to enlightenment is to get past this idea, this obstacle,
and this belief that you’re not already enlightened.
WIZARD: All right!
TRIP: Speaking of Ramana Maharshi, this is something the
Wizard and I got in really big trouble with a friend of ours who’s
the grand-nephew of Ramana Maharshi, his name is V. Ganesan.
CHUCK HILLIG: Yes, I know of V. Ganesan, I’ve never met him.
TRIP: Well we were up in the mountains and we got into some
serious trouble up there.
CHUCK HILLIG: What happened?
TRIP: We said that basically there was no difference, in essence,
between Ramana Maharshi or Hitler, or Pôl Pot and Christ. I
mean, is there?
CHUCK HILLIG: No. [Laughter] Well it’s like, remember, you
read the book with the book and the hole in it – I said these
wonderful people like Mother Theresa and Mahatmas Gandhi,
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