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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

people to go in there and see for themselves and not to take my<br />

word for it. I don’t want people to trade in their beliefs for what<br />

they think may be my beliefs. I want them to go and experience it<br />

for themselves because if it’s coming from me to them, then it’s<br />

more of a matter of belief and this is not about belief.<br />

TRIP: I hear you, and I’m so eager for you to meet the <strong>Wizard</strong> and<br />

hang out <strong>with</strong> the <strong>Wizard</strong> because I think the two of you have the<br />

same approach.<br />

WIZARD: We’re first spiritual cousins.<br />

TRIP: You even have like the same like physical structure; you’ve<br />

got the same like heads and faces. You’re both handsome devils,<br />

yeah.<br />

CHUCK HILLIG: Thanks for that.<br />

TRIP: I would love for the two of you to get together sometime.<br />

<strong>Wizard</strong>, you should check out on his website, he has his own<br />

quotes and they’re quite extensive quotes.<br />

WIZARD: I would need to move some of them over.<br />

TRIP: Yeah, they’re really good quotes he’s got on there. One of<br />

your things, you talked about “seeing the whole in one” in the book<br />

and one of the comments you make in one of your books is that<br />

you say, “People know about God but they don’t know God.”<br />

CHUCK HILLIG: Yes, they have this experience that they are<br />

separate from God and that they know all this information about<br />

God. But that’s part of the illusion and I remind people, you<br />

cannot get closer to God <strong>with</strong> your sanctity and <strong>with</strong> your<br />

information and <strong>with</strong> your knowledge. You can’t get closer to God<br />

<strong>with</strong> that nor can you get further away from God <strong>with</strong> your<br />

depravity and debauchery, I mean there’s no moving towards God,<br />

there’s moving away from God. How can who you are really<br />

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