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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

away, but when we are still in the mind, and there is no thought,<br />

you realize that it's right here right Now.<br />

WIZARD: Yes, when the form has gone, when someone passes,<br />

then there's absolutely no separation. <strong>The</strong> communion is always<br />

very profound when a very close one passes, and then that bodily<br />

form is no longer there, we feel that oneness, that presence,<br />

unobstructed.<br />

BRIAN EZZELL: And another thing too, John, was that helping<br />

someone to cross over, which is something I had never done<br />

before, and to do this <strong>with</strong> someone that has such a profound<br />

mark on your life, I came to realize it's one of the most intimate<br />

things that you can possibly experience <strong>with</strong> another human<br />

being. A friend of mine, Trista, said that the two greatest<br />

experiences that you can share <strong>with</strong> someone is when they draw<br />

their first breath, and when they take their last. And, yes, that<br />

really was a profound experience for me to be there, and it was just<br />

the two of us and our dogs that one evening. And the oneness was<br />

palpable. <strong>The</strong>re's time where we can intellectualize oneness, and<br />

we can talk about it on a certain level, and there's times when we<br />

really feel it, and we are it, so to speak. And that was one of those<br />

moments, but, yes. I lost my train of thought there.<br />

TRIP: Well it was a good train. Now you say when the student is<br />

ready the teacher will appear, and then you added a corollary to<br />

that which I really enjoyed. You said, "When the student is ready,<br />

the teacher will leave". Was the death of your mentor…?<br />

BRIAN EZZELL: That's what brought it up, yes.<br />

TRIP: <strong>The</strong> leaving of your teacher. You're obviously a very wise<br />

man, you appear to me to be quite established in "That", did you<br />

not feel yourself to be until he died?<br />

BRIAN EZZELL: You know, there was quite a length of time in<br />

our relationship where we didn't talk about spiritual issues, I could<br />

probably say for the past 10 years we didn't really have sit down<br />

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