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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

there's just great fuel there for conversation. You quote the Zen<br />

master Jayata, you say, "I don't seek enlightenment nor am I<br />

deluded, I don't worship Buddha, nor am I disrespectful. I don't<br />

sit for long periods, nor am I lazy. I don't eat only once a day, nor<br />

am I a glutton. I am not contented, nor am I greedy. When the<br />

mind does not seek anything, this is called the way".<br />

Right, here's my point of confusion, and maybe it's not confusion,<br />

but maybe you guys can help me. One of the best pieces of advice<br />

that I've ever got from the <strong>Wizard</strong> over here is to simply be myself,<br />

and to be this natural thing, myself, <strong>with</strong>out like over thinking it,<br />

but simply accepting it and letting it be, this thing called me, that's<br />

been very helpful. And I think that's great advice, but this thing<br />

called me doesn't walk this middle way, it sometimes goes<br />

completely slap bonkers greedy, gluttonous, and sometimes it<br />

doesn't eat anything, sometimes it goes for sex for a week straight,<br />

and then it doesn't do anything for a month. So I'm more of like a<br />

binge personality, and every time I come into Zen wisdom, there<br />

seems to be this moderation that's characteristic of the Zen<br />

master, and that's not who I am. So is this advice that to just<br />

simply be myself at odds <strong>with</strong> Zen?<br />

BRIAN EZZELL: No, everything in moderation, including<br />

moderation [Laughs]. You know, Trip, I can identify <strong>with</strong> all of<br />

that, there's times where… I used to be a smoker, I don't attribute<br />

a deep voice to that, but 10 years ago I used to smoke and I used to<br />

enjoy two packs a day. And I didn't like the fact that I had to stop<br />

that, I enjoyed it way, way too much. And I didn't like the fact that<br />

I had to control that in any particular way. <strong>The</strong>re are days where I<br />

want to eat a lot, and then there's times when I don't want to eat<br />

much at all. And I guess I don't try to think about it anymore. I<br />

don't over indulge like I used to in my younger years, I'm 37, I'm<br />

still young [Laughs].<br />

But the fact of the matter is that, yes, it's just being moderate. It's<br />

not trying to think about should I do this, or should I do that, just<br />

be, and have the experience, that's what this life is really all about<br />

is simply having the experience. It's not about doing things<br />

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