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State office're of'tic 're?.: "A "A'Y A -'Y - ' 

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Q : Who Vibo were the Republican and Democratic 

])emocra tic and Socialist Socialist. SocialistSocialist.- oolali st: 

candidatestion 

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candidatos for Governor GO.vernor 

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Miller i11er 'Hiller !! for the Republican 

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have-forgotten -forgotten o gotten who he was. was.- . 

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( The witness states he 1ives lives at . 514rSixth 514 ( Sixth streot street } , Manhattan 

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D1R DIRECT CT.EXAM EXAMINATION NATION BY HR. 

ME., ROBINSON : t '" 

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this case ? A Yes , sir. . 

MR. !!H.. ROBINSON: .,. . ..I' S. 

' offer this warrant rran't ot 

substitute tute canva canvassing sing inspeotor inspector in evi4enoo. 

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MR. HR. POMPAK POMPAN : 1I object objeot to 

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before' before before'*' any such suoh testimony can oan be received. reoeived. 

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presia ential. ballot there 'there 

ilesotors. 

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thing like ike six parties partie. parties. parties.- 

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and five for Engineer and Surveypr , ) and and- 

the Court of Appeals Appeals. ., six for fors- 

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col ballot and w ere there- re 

was - no splits sp-li ts you wouldn't w01,11cm't 

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the number of times that the inspectors of election had to- 

' call that 'that night exceptingwhere there thero were 

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presidential electors ele tor8 ? A I wouldn't ' say-saythere sayth -- ' th there re were wer 'a ' a few- 

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exceptionsexoeptions exceptions exoeptions 

exoeptionsto -to to the presidential ballot . ITant want \Tant \ .toTJO 

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you 3oipw know kn n, 'at 'at this thi a time how ho\y\ many-people many.people 

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baok.t-'C .to 

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liceliolice lio 

one of 9f 

the. ,. keys ._.to .to. 

my men 

Department ? A Yes , sirw 

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'to to 'to toga tficer. 

to' *. ' that box Vras Was in the hands 

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en and an officer.- tficer.- 0 . 

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hand of ot the th Po- Po- Poo?o¬- 

tTHE THE HE tHE COURT : I take it that what you are 

show shiH' now no\'I 

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undbr the rule 

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are trying trying' trying- trying'- 

role laid down in the case 

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'case 

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rooklyn case. c se. You have 1w.ve have- . 

aooessibility , or such suoh access aocess on 9n the part- par part- 

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opportunity.to 

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BY BY'' MR 1R ! ; POHPAN 

\ opportunity 

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.ballots. 

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Are you acquainted , in thut that predhct 

Q Do y u know , th e locality looality? A- No , sir. . 

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there4 

pred 1ct? A No , ! sir. sir.- 

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very 

No Bo , sir. 

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. know that the " Sixth Sixth" street at ot police polioe station is 18 averyfverJ 

very verJ active act1vo police polioost&tion 

policestation station & ? A yes yea , sir ir , jI do , I have ave been in it 1tt$ , 

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jgr. Jr. Cdr. Jr.IUC ! . 'Me- IUC 'Mc- 'M- - 

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thinl think thi anybody anybod:! will w1 l dispute di spute '- the the' thefact that he is i s a .very .v .verr ..ver- 

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MR. lIR.. P01IPAN POllPAN: I appreciate apprecia.te . that. ' 

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policep'01ioe police p'01ioe 

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apector i to'put to 'put 

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stat ion 

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ton house.. The cf"t- f"t.a.tute tatute . 

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ab ut ..tie .the .th- 

..tie- 

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have :the police take 

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there was wa.. sT . ? evidence evid n e which was.. submitted 

there 

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' Judge .Tudge . Siwyer S \tyer \ , from 'from the upper part of 

., Judge 

Styer 

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submltted to the the'', 1- 

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b oader proposition 

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boxes should have been boon returned to the'Board the'' Board of ot Elections E1ectionsElections- - 

. . and not the polide departmentThis. 

departmentThis.is 

4e department. nrtmen *. Thi8ls Thi s ., is i s a question questi que stio n that th that-t 

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the., ballot boxeB from he police'pracinct 

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Hichael ichael Cusaok CUBaok 

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handedthem -them .them 

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who handed 

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On the 'the presidential presidentia1 ballots that 'that have been referred toare 

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that thut the th presidential electors elellttors 

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distinotion in some district di where the Socialist Sooialist vote i8" 

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THE COURT : You opened the door- 

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box? A Yes , sir . , . 

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Q Can you - testify-of your 

night of election election. . until 

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Q How many keys did you deliver with these boxes on the 

, precinctprecincta ineach /each / 

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.the the ballots? A I . 

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building .f aing . lnt into the , 

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rand Grand Jury room :roo ., and it i t WQe was constant.1y 

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' sight? A Ye " sixr. sixr.- . 

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'- From whom did you get it in the pollee 

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police precinct staetasta eta-- 

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Q' Yrom the Board of Elections? A Yes , siir; ; 'there-ire 

i only . one key brought for that purpo so. so.- . 

s. s.. (No No answer.answer.- Q You brought that one'' from your your- 

Q And gave it to Hr. McGowan in in- 

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:tion tion house ? A A room upstairs for that purpose , nothing- 

in it but election material. material.- . 

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key ? A . The' supposed 

' keys are- supposed -- ono.. key is supposefor 

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boxes. 

for the locks on.. these 

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the City ? 

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DIR CT EXAJAINATION 

EAIdINATION 

?( BY. Y.1m JAR.:. ROJJINSON 

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ROB INSON : . . ; .: '.;;: 

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'We Were re Y9U you at , th e p'olling pong pl pcece t the th Sixth ection 

Distriot District of the Eighth 

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Aeoembly Assembly Di 

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. striot District on the. thethenight night ot of 1fo- Ho- 1fo- Ho- - 

v mbe r 2nd , 1920 ? A Ye B. air. . 

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Q , Did you accompany the Board .o 

: : - : to the police precinct of 

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. .1 ..- \ containing the bo boxes 

Sih Eli 

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.of! Ca.nvassing Canvassing 

. In8P Inspectors Inspectors- 

).15th .recinct p.rerinct 

. wi with th the ballot l.lot . boxe. boxes boxes. 

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es , sir about out half pa.st past . e1 eight in in- in- 

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past'eight eight 

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balf half halfr- 

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carry hie hi.s 

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arm, to'help to 'h lp- 

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boxe8 and only four men on 

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precinct 

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- put them after you yougot you.got you.-: - got into .the the . police poi police police- ! e- 

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precinct p'recinC't ' ? A In the room assigned assiened for tor that : purpose. purpo purpose.- 

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' 'bat ' 'do do you call that room ? A No.name N9.name 

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. it is a store room for that 

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boxes 

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upstairs. upstair's. upstairs.- upstairs. 

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Q , For the purpose of storing 

tbat"pu'rpose. 

tbat"pu'rpose.- purpose.- purpose.- 

oring *. -' ' 'air., 

intothat that -that 

and supplies 8upplie.e. ? A Yes 

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Q Did you see it'put it it" '" put into 

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s election material DW.terial 

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s1.r sir 

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in ' the public school. school.- 

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one one- 

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polling place 

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Did you see it sealed? A ' 

Yes 'Yes , sir. sir.-. 

Q Would you yo.u . recognize recogniz the t e 

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seal sea]. if you saw 

POMPAH !: 

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- shelves shelvesror shelves for -ror various supplies suppl es ? A I don't ' know that it it has- 

. any shelves ; that tha.t . I caJ can't ' t say. say.- 

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papers and things 

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Board.locked- 

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did you ' 'you do wi with th the keykeyYA ' . YA ; 

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.locked locked at that time ? A No , sir , there was. was ., a man a8signed assigned a8signed.assigned- .there. -there 

.-.there.to there.there . to reoeive receive all the 

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c to to.the .the . Detective Detective- Detectiv- Detective- i 

Bureau Dureau Bureau Dureau ? A.A . Well We 1.,. that is BO so ; the Detective Bureau Dureau is is' ' " 

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gQing to th* dormitory 

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by1. the door of ot the room hut but not nQt through throug the room.- room.-. 

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are passingBin- yeste day? 

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I had not been there th re ;: . - I had beenbeenon on the 

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didn.t , . see any 

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siok list. list.- . 

th'e ' sick 

polioeman standing by by- by- 

. door watching it ? A No , sir . . . 

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. The only time they have a man at 

. .Eleotion Election Eleotion day? A . Yes , sir ;: that 

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behalf 

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the people , b'eing Doing ' duly sworn , testified as follows tollows : 

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. officer attached 'attached to t.e. ? the the- 

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EXAMINATION BY : MR. lffi. 

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That Q , the Election Eleotion of 1920 19201? A.'Yes AoYes Ao A . '-= 

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Q , You were WQre wore assigned to that duty in the the' the'station station 'station house houshouseeof'theofof'the. of'the of'the. of ' 

the. . 15th Police Precinct Precinot? A Yes ,;,' 

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.Were Were the baliot baUot balb of "boxes boxes from the t e Eighth Assembly 'Di' Dis Die Di- Die- 

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boxes are brought brough t o the 

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,. entire Board Boa.rd . of or Elections Eleotions of ot the district and and. . and.th the y are are.0-.0- 0 . 

eicamined examined eicamined 

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bv be "brought Drought brought to a room on- on- 

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companied&& by the officer assigned to the polling pollin place Plaoe. place. Plaoe.- place.- *. 

Q On the morning mDrning after the election election' ' 

oftNov November ber , 1920- , 

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rived 1.ter . than the B th Distriot ? ' A Yesj . r , I remember-remember--- 

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o other h r boxes oxe a brought into' into 'th that room ? A No 

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taking ing thmupBtairs 

themupstaira un until il you nrran arranged 

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statio n houB6 house and they were acoessible' accessible , to 

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na lot of of- 

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or ten minutes they' would wou d stand there while whilo I examined 

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them in the room room. room- 

patr lmon who entered that room? 

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. the Boards Board that brought brought'bro ght'' addition addition' addi tio . 

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from the various var.iouB 

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. idthe said id -the 'the. 

key key'QS 

persons"had had access acre ooe BO 

.,:thi s room ro om? A Yes Ye , sir , that is 

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,- / persons persona persons" 

V/hat What -What .What 

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boxes bpxes into 

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' the .p .patrolmen patrolmen' patrolmenall trol !1err ' -all -. all the canvassing- 

can- ' ( 

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. .andoiit outo'f ohi oiit , of of- ' :r 

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as to that room, lieutenants ? A Yessir. 

Anybody Anyboqy else olso? A The clerical clerlcl men man and the cleaner cleaneri. cleaner- *!. -' .A. I domt ' t know kno" of ot anybody else. else.- *. 

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officer. officer.- 

ee ? . 

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You also have women cleaners come' 

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sir' sir , ,no women .leaners gleaners in the 15th procinct. precinct. precinct.- . , 

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, That is i s a pr pretty tty big station house? A 

. yes eB 

This 

, ' sir sir.- . 

Q, . This particular ,room 

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is i s rfght right ad.toin.ing ad4oining . . the 'De De ' tfi"Ctectfi"-tec- - 

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Cti ve Dure'au' Bureau's ' s room ? A Yes e ;, sir , adjoiriing adjoining 

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:rrol there ? A yes , sir . 

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'D'teat'ive. 

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there da11 ; ' 

? 

you'make make a round of inspeot ion of th t oor every 

'.dii.y . ? 

. 

' A EverJ' ' day .I . wu.. working iq orders "ere 

" th seal as properly on tha.t 

. door. 

Q ' ' 

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, You were . a 'clerical'm.an ? ' A Yes , 'sir. 'sir.-. 

A. .. 

Yes. 

" to see tha.t tha.t. 

Q , Dld Did you make un an entr entry, : upon : the police - 

: bl-otterof blotter 

: of of- 

certain days you you.inspected 

,.inspected the the._. seal on ' the 'door ? 

. 

.- A No , sir. siro- . 

, < ' - 

f . Q, You might have miDsed a couple of daj8 ? A I said- 

the days ys Ims. ms. -ms. 

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rplaced 

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don'. '' t kn know" wha.t what 

- see seeif -if the 

seal sealms -ms 

Q ssumdng Assuming that Bomebo 

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happened. 

happened.on happened.on.that on . on.that 

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seventh day. day- . 

day ? ,. N 

somebody had placed something up under- 

could 

replacedor 

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\. 'boxes 'boxescontaining 

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-containing the boxes at of the ele'otion 

: election of J.92Q 1920 . 

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time , these prticular particular ball ballots ot of the 6th.Election 

6th . Election Distriot District DistriotDistrict- ' 

otof ot of the 8th 'th Assembly ', 

District weIe were : produced ? A There we were' e'- 

other 

' 

'some some ', 'other 

boxes in the roo room. room.- 

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, 

thilthis thi this there thereYare \Yare were 

hantyMcIntyre 

hanty-YoIntyre 

hanty-McIntyre - contost. contest. contost.- contest.- . 

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ye 'yes 

of J.920 1920 . ? A. A ., 

',, ' sir. sir.- . ' 

.' 'that ? A- I don't don" '" ',; just recallrecals-- av! , been'in been' ' 

QQ. 

Q . What eleotion election was .that 

\ some.box some ., boxes-sit.maY. -- it.maY. it.maY.av it . may .have 

boxesit 

Q The windo\vs windows \ 01 of : tha.t 

. that ro 

roo m. . we 

recallI 

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in the- 

' e have referred ,to. . 

theel6 

Will: 

WiJ.1 Will.' 

you yo you describe the condition of he the windows ? A In entering enterinenteringgththe th the bui1diric building , .- tho. thethe15th 15th 9recinat reci otJ, 'and 'arid ' going up upstairs tairs.the .the . winn - 

donsddons us are re not - visible from the sta stai-rs T8 

, 

'. in tne the interior n rior or of tho the- 

.puildins building 

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they are on au sort of a skylight to to. to.the . the next buiJ.dbuildbuiJ.d- build- . - 

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'E' E D' WAR 

.DIRECT DIRECT 

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W A R D J..LE 

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the people , being duly sworn , t sti1"ied 

, . 

MR.. . _ 

. EXAUINATION :BY HR. 

Q, How long havo have . 

Close se on to i'3 13 ye years. years.- r8. . 

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you been 

. 

there 

ROBINSON : 

QQ. 

Q.Have 

Q Have you . been the re .con 

Yesair. air.- 

of 'o of ;1920 ? A Yes" Yes- 

behalf 

a rxitnese itnes called on behaJ.f"of- . " , of of.- 

. . connooted connected 

. . ,vith with 

' 

.continuously i uously afnce 

", - sair. . 

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as '1"ollowa 

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10; 

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, the 15th Precinct cinct ? 

. " ' 

since the elacti election electionn 

, 

Q During. 

, 

: have .have beentherecontinuously ously uously ously? 

Q 

A Yes , sir air sir- * 

Did you sea see this room that has ha's' been testified to wherethe 

. the ' , 

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ballot : . J.ot boxes were 

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placed l .ced"A 

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plaoedin placed. 

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were placed.in ., in there and taken out has it always a.ways 

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saw 

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t1 ef"p '-puper :°- " 

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THE. COUJtT: Are you yo ' going to dispute eIi.pute . thkt t t.t . 

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such 'sueh 

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general gene ral order was ''was made "by by 

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the Commi C.ommlssioner 

. asloner? 

: general 

or.r 

MR. JiR. POMPAW POMPAl(: Whut What Wh teteot effect 

Howls How i 8e tMR. 

it it binding bindinr; here he re that thatii( 

somebody omebo to do something else elee. else. elee.- else.- *. 

the 

-. .the thejorders 

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. -thejorders 

'Law 1Law. Law. 

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! : has it upon thi.a thi.s 

thatthe 

this. question ? 

the Police Commissioner 

Commissioner. told.. 

THE COURT COVItT : prom From what I read I should ahoul'd ' 

are aredirectly ar - directly dire tly in 

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*' conflict 

o n rctwlth 

' , with 

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Commi ssioner ,. told 

the } 

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marked'People 

Qq ' Are the orders 

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Ye , sir. sir.- . 

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Polio 

0 r8 of the Police 

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I'" s Exhibit , 

, Commissioner 

No.5 

No. No.5) . 5) 

C lssloner obeyedv 

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obeyed?. ,. 

A. A..ye 

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Were these these.orders orders .order 

,. obeyed obeyC! ? A,-Aa.qf' . ' Asrfar As-far:r 

as.-I ao. as . -, I was-individ wasindivid- 

was -..i 

uallyd1vid 

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ually ally.ooncerned'theywere 

concerned . ' theywere thoywere |;, yes , sir. str. str.- sir.- . . . - . 

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EL\UINATIOtl 

\ 

CROSS EXAMINATION 

EXAMINATIONBY -BY .BY BY 

-. MR. UR.. TOUPAN 'POUPAN POMPAN 

' : . . 

fora 

inM Q, You : have h ve been on ondesk on-desk desk duty duty- -, 

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YOBsir. yesI;' I/ , sir 

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otficers 

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wor B people people- 

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hangingo n th e oaptain,8 captains 

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to 40 do- 

snl' t iLt t..? 

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A Right there , ye yes , sir , the key ha 'had ' since 'been changecl. changed. changed.- 

'QQ' Q The key to . that room has. been. been.on . on the cap- oaptain .s. dbsk e sk? 

Arye s , rye sir. sir.- 

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gone for any . perio d of time? ' 

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Objected. Objected I 

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th that' 

BY :BY 1m. h R. POMP POMPAN AN : q4 

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Q, When Tmis. S . "' 

the 'lo"'ck 

'lock 

on t1i that .d .door' r'ch 

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ch changed 

was n.ot not . chan changed ecl.. :; the plaoing placing ot of the .key key 

. was chang 

. Q, I unde.rstand undorbtand 

. 

A Yes , sir. sir.- . 

.noticed noticed- ed.. 

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lock 

ged? '. A The J.ook lock- . 

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change 4d; 1 

you to saysa-J 

; the p1aoing placing of the' the-key '- .key. 

. ., was8 

Q Where haa has it been kept Pt the last two months ? A Sinoe Since Sinoe- Since- 

' 'the last election 1i t.t.1s 

- 

. -1s is 

' kept. kept kept.in . 

. ,in .ront' front 01" of. " Q 

. the 1ieutenant. lieutenant. 1ieutenant.- lieutenant.- . 

QQ. 

Q S1noe Since Hovemb5r November , 1920 or 19 

comcom-om- - 

numder mander has. 

has .- arrived. arrived..-. 

.QQ. Q The ky key-y - 

Q. , . 

Or 1'n in ' 

front ot 

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-0. 0. ., Th That i8 

in 

1921 ? A Sinoe 

Since the nnow . om- 

is i s now an : 

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I fr6nt front front.of .of 

back of hi m? A No ; sir , right direotly directly in- in- 

, 

'- 

-.of . the lieutenant ? A. A.Ye A . Ye s. Be s.- Be- . 

of him. him . * . ' , . ' . 

er. ? A. A . -A -' A cUbby oie role , as :you cal cal- 

i s near' ' where 

them :; 1it hangs right here. there. 

: ; \ Ariman 

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here.'t' 

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tenant wanted sreater greater. gre . t protection for o , the Icey key ? A ' liTo'i No } ' 

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cOlIm13l1ding 

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: : otticer-officer-officer -- 

,. Q That io is , . - the comanding coman dins officer1 otfioer officerofficerthought thought :the th key was in- in- 

, 

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the'Ir 

the the. \'Ir 

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yhio hio 

\' ng place before this? A I dont don't 

. .wrong 

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So now no,., he put it where 

B 

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it 

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knOwhat 

what he thought. tho thought.- t-. 

Nobody 

f- 

where'' nobody can see Bee it ? ., A-Nobody 

-. ANobody Nobod- Nobody- 

but the lieutenant.- . 

Q But prior to now 

. . 

n w that key was where everybody 

the class of ot people pe ple you specify speoitr , could see Bee it ? 

roomoomroom- Objected ObJeoted to. 

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to each and andavery 

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, every, key. key.- 

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whi4t floor was this "this 

''were were 'were were placed ? A The second second. second.'f1 second.f1 

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dormitory. dormi tory. tory.- . 

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Do you 

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you.ea 

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room roo m in which the ballot boxesboxes- boxes- 

or known as the lieutenant' lieutenant's lieutenant's- ' s 

you. meanmeanby '- ea 'by by that that a number numper of.peop 

. mean 

A. A' . ' Only Onlj the'' lieutenant ; they 

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that. thatroom 

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ey have quarters by themselves. 

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boxen boxes which whioh whichwere were -were 

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the time about 

we are speaking speakingr epoaking - who whowore were' -w-ore ', 

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heso these BO "ballot ballot Q " 

.- about. aboutaboutwhich which 

furnish 

balot b'i ' 

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Furni 

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b , the Board 

election. election election. trucks deliver deliyer them to the .various various 

., polling poli1ng 

V'T sin ;' ; *\ -, ': ' "' , ., . 

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in' in''each' 'each 'each' 'each'precinct 

'eachprecinct precinct precinct'lith with \'lith \' a representative 

representiktive 

represent tive ofrthe ot.the of.. ,the Board 'Board 

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tions ilo s.- 

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BQard of ot Eleor Elea- 

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El60 Elea- 

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: places 'plaoes' 'places places- 'place- 

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A , Yes 

otf'i.cer 

' 

, sir , an ofifi.cer 

policeppolice ', 

. from from' ' 

oard.of 

., of Elections ? 

Eleotions and a- 

' 

: ; the the'Boar-d Board - of Elections 

ith .* 

p liae offi'cer officer oft 'cer from tube station house goes go s along along.With with them tnem. them. tnem.- them.- *. 

'BY BY MR. KR. ROBINSON ROBINS01{ : 

Q Has anybody anybo besides police officers connected co ne ted .with 

..with.with- 15th.Precl 

the 15th.Precinct 

15th.Precifict 

anybo else- else- 

. ct occasion to use these keys , anybody 

besides those? A No Uo 

., , sir. 811' sir-' 

. , 

A N I E L 0 CONNELL 

C 9 N N L.L 

.D .DANIEL 

' . halfhalt half 

( The The witness states he resides resides' 

called' ' ".on on 

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., be- 

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halt of 

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the people p'eo le , 

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being b'eing. b'eing.du1r duly 

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: testified testlf'led as fol- ¬- 

lowslows' lows 

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lows' : , 

3YMR. 

DIRECT EXAMINATION 3Y.MR. BY.MR. 

. . ' , 

resides'at reside8'at 

' at 1206.5th 1206 ., 5th avenueN.Y avenueH.Y. 

avenueLL.Y. 

, . ,. ) 

:BY.. . ROBINSON : - . , 

Q, Are you employed emp10yed by the County Clerk.of Clerk ot .of ., the .the . 

' 

'of'New of'New 

: r'New ' York ? A Yes Yos Yea , sir. 81r. sir.- 

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QQ, 

What is your position there ? A 

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Clerk.*. 

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Clerk 

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County County' County- unty ' 

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. Have H .. ,. here in Xe8 on8 to a .subpoena .BUbpoe . ' duceo duoes' duoen duceo- 

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of what documents 'did .did 

Mecum call ? A The of 

-- ,. Novembor 

the tally sheets-sheetsNovembor sheetsNovember 

tical 

November 2ndl920. 2nd,1920. 2nd1920. 2ndl920.- 2nd,1920.- , . 

you ou got the returns on 'th 'the 

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t1u that sub sub-- 

offical return of votes ast. cast- 

' tally sheet in the the- 

' e lope ? A- 

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--- no tally sheets. . 

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9- Q- IIs the. the . envelope , 

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By whom? A Irving lendel 

nd l and ,Jake Teplitz. Teplitz.- litz.- . 

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it ' state \Yho \ Uendel 

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' The . official return .filed by 

. 

" HR. M. 

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.signed? A 'Yes , sir. sir.- 

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Mendelsohn 

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Mendelson on iB 

'filed 

isez is bl nk , 1a it not ? A Yes , Dir. 

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M. 

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in evi dence. . 

MR Jam MR: POUPA1r 

offer the 

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thi 

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tzAlexanderM- 

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Chairman. 

Chairman.- ! rman. 

.tz-Alexander 

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' at your rfice office office- rficeoffic- t- 

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envelope and contents contents- 

R 

POMPAJ1 : Objected to on the ground that the- 

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envelope nvelope envelope was eviden evidently ly aealed. kealed. There isno 

' 

'here 

is , no idence evidence evidence- 

that it i8 in the sWme ' condition as 'when it was- 

delivered de delivered 1vered and I object on ,the further groun 

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proper. . :f'oundatioh foundation 

: ' has been e llaid laid and ' "' it 1s"irrelevat:1t 'i s' irrelevant irrelevantincompotent 

and 1nnnate.j :;. , . . 

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. p"roper. 

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AttorneyGeneral 

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THE COURT : I will take > > it but I rill say to tb.e. 

Attorney-General - that he must establiSh that this recori record recorrecordUs we11 as the allot s have been kept in iolate. 

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. is R. UR. .p .POMPAN 1qAl ? {: ' I might ig t point out out- that I my objection is 

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or the follo'Ning following ' da day ., sometimes we 11.ave $ 

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.ave to wait. wait . fo four or five- 

' days 

days for' for for'eturn8 

;eturn8 returns from election dietrict8 districts. dietrict8- districts.- . 

Q. QQ. 

Q . . Where did you put. put' . ' the them hen when the7'were they ' were roceiv roceiv- roceived ? 

A Th Those 

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together in A8 Assembly emblt' 

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di-striots 8trio't' 1ana 1ana- 

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we we' ; put p t them 

w' 

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in in'our , our room 

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room psta1rs' upstairs psta1rs'where where .we.hold 

or these envel envelopes pes until the Eoard 

.we ., hold these th 8e Iapors papers Iaporspapers- ? 

, 

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Board of County Canvassers meet- meet- 

to canvass the votcs. votes. votcs.does 

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votes.- 

to 

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does does- does- 

Q Whcn Whentthe ,the Board of county Canv Canvassers sser8 canva8 canvass'.the 

answe- . 

( No , answer. 

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get. . tnem from that room 

r.Ire JIrere today 

. .safc' 

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daY'/ daY'A 

. Q Wher Where. 

get.tliem 

s1lr. si'r. 

'/? A No., ' "s1.lr. ' " si'r.- . . 

Where.did'you did.you did'you 

,. did. 

' i1:1 in : .the . office with 

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room "whgn 

'li ' 1f1h you' you' .' you get thcm. them . to today?, A 'Wc We 

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the 

.' vote ? 

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hied 'those 

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produced ed" ed".the .the them them- 

..the- 

'thoseenve -enve- 

- enveenv- - 

elopes' lopes' opes' opes'' sometime in D'cember December ; ' ' '- 

before' before before'.the beforethe .the grand JU Jury with .the'void .thevoid .the 

..the'void- -void void 

,. and protested ballots .from from 

. that Election district district.and and you aBkaskaBkask- - 

. 

ed'.me.ci.me. ed'.me. ci.me. ( ' 

. . 

- to put them a"Nu'Y away " 

' in a safe place and . 

I put 'them ' 

.in our 

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.safe the ith the void and protested enyelOpes.enyelOpes.- 

en eldpe s.- s. . - 

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They 

Q They have been there ever since ? A yes , sir. ., 

Q, 'Th ' t i since December of.las year . ? A . 

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. addition to the official return iQ 

In 

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. .tally 'tally sh 

shoot et hich which 

. . , is filed wi 

is there an offi 

with th the ' 

co County ty' ty'Cl.kk Cl.kk Clekk ., ? 

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statement nt in 'that that envelop envolopoo envolopoo-. 

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and and state 

pro , 

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beforethe 

,bef re -the .-);h 

Board ot of County Canvassers .1f 

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-, :BY MR. POMPAN P01lPA1f : - 

CR9BS EXAMINATION-BY 

EXAMINATION' 

. ' 

Q, Are you the only o ly perstin pers n in charge of 

Jlself 

A. 

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. The 'The ' only person , yes , sir , myself Jl\ self and Mr. 

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sir.-. 

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livered 

he in Court ? ! A\ No , sir. 

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8ear 

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only one ? ' 

ot the.se 

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Ballot ABsociati Association. 

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the day Doa.rd board . I was standing 'there thereere- and he wante wanted to know who I was. I tol toldl him.I him .1. was a wtcher watcher watcher- tcherr- 

from om rom the Prohibition.party 

Prohibitionparty 

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the Honest HonestBallot 'Ballot -Ballot Ballot- 

Association.. Association. He wanted to have me ejected. . 

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out. 

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argument and finally I gained ml point.- . 

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as an a. a. watcher.. When When.-he "he ". 

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to aS8 assume his hie duties he began to -count count ballot.- ballot.- . 

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chairman. chairman.- . 

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think Yandel Mandel , Xa.tz Katz . and 

chairman of 

ou observed ? A When I came in there , 

tocount 

who were the other member or 

what 

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o the Board ? A Yes , sir , he'was- 

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of the . Board? AVell \Vell Well1 \ , II- 

Teplitz , I 4on.t don ., t remember 'exaotly. 

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officers icers R.nd and . 

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other membere members of that Doard Board? Alea A .-lea -.ye . , 

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other members of the Board ard who who- 

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did he do ' ' 

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votes were called off 

memebersVasn.t , wasntt \Vasn.t waan 

two memebers memebera 

ame came to the Assembly he called 

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Member Jlemb er of or Assembly 

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orf? A Well there- 

\ ., t there ? Hifhen when 'Wh ' n they theytheys- oalled quite 'Q ' 

'a a few of Waldmants WaldmaJu Waldman' 

mad the great grea majority . ty- 

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11ttle twisted rajorityjority 

j r1 ty of of; the blanks to Reiss. Reiss.- .' 

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. & MR. UIt. POMPAN POMPAlf : I move to strike 

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majority majorfty of or : the blanks to Reisa Reiss Raise? 

rhe 

vote 

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THE COURT : Yesi Yesj that _is too general. 

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MR. POMP POKPAN AH : I move 'move 

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called calied off otr and he checked them up. up up.- . 

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BY MR. BOBINSON 

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the'm-up .them.up them-up the'mup ..them.up themup 

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ROBINSON : . . 

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lookin ; 

Q , At what was he looking 

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when he called off 'off 'o 

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proceede down dvn d \vn \ the line 'line 

and then proceeded 

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then 

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for Kember 

Member ot 

of Assembly - - where were you standing' standing'- 

Riaht Right in front of the taDhe table alJ. 

standing 

Q , Q; , Was he seated or .standing 

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all . the time. time.- . 

HeTas \Tas was 

seated. . 

\ seatecl. seatecl- seated.- 

]dd .dd he continue doing the ounting of the vote f 

Member KMember mber o"t of Assembly in the same sane method he did " 

when When yo you d'' said-he he- 

Y . "coUnted 

. the votes"ror votes for the other candida candidate s -- called . off 

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off. . 

vote Tote vote for Governor ? A Yes , 

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pick 

sir ., he continued to call them ot off- off.up 

each ; ba1.1ot ballot . 

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separatel7'l separately'? . A yYes !' s ., sir. sir.- sir.- . 

The ballots at the time he counted the votes tor Hem-- Hembar 

ber bar of Assemb Assemblywere y" y"ero 

", \ero \, stil still fa.ce. . face down . on the tabJ.e table . ? A Is 

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' place on '- 

the ballot tor'Uember 

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Q Were there marks in front ot 

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for .lle . .Meaber 

. of Assembly Assemblyon , on -on '- .candidates 

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Were."there 

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U ere were marks. marks- 

there 

D. Reiss ? A yes 

Q Were.th"re Were-there 

eB , sir. sir.- . 

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Waldman Waldman? A Ye s ., . sir sir- 

Q Did he 

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Assembly-read reaQ -orf. off. those marks as 

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of the candidate who . were. were were-. 

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marks in front ot of tth e name of 1or Morris 

some marks in 

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the name of Louis Louis- 

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the County of 

County COUnty'ot County COUnty'ot 

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ot Kings King' you yo you coul.d cou1.d could. not 

MR. ROBINSON : I object 'to 

. R. .Q HR. POUPAN POMPAN reads section 352.. 

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that thatwas 'was' -was was ' .' 

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w toher in 

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it'erial. inniaterial. 

law? A No , i did not.- not.- . 

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Q- QWere Were you a _ Prohibition watcher or an lancet Ubneet $bnest Jullotl.lot.lot- watcher ? A I' I'.9 

sent 

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lstructionsotructionsstruotions otructions struotions structions you you'received .received received 

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hibition Honest Hohest'Dallot Ballot 'Ballot Association- 

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canvass the rotes votes. 

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baliot "boxes ? A' :' The chairaan chaiDRan chairman chairaan- chaiDRan- chairman- 

started. 

sir. "sir.- ".' sir.- sir.- . 

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ror Member of ' Assembly ? A Yes 

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vote 

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canvassed the the' thethe'thevb.tevote vb.te vote . ? A I know vdien when they: - - 

started started out to call the vote off o-r-r off- 

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theyhey they t ey did. did.- 

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hey call next ? A- A. -. AGovernor , I believe. . , . 

Governor 

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.canvassed canvassed did they put the ballots back into the ballot allot boxboxbeforebe10re before be10re ,they canvassed oanvassed.the .the 

. next vote ? ANo No 'No -No, 

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the vote for ror for- . " 

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Assembly Assembly ssembly ' was canvassed eanvasacd v/ere Vlere were / the ballots 'ballots in the ballot box? 

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. .- they canvass the vote vote. -for state- state- State- 

'offices offices at that time ? A Yes , sir. sir.-. 

that did , they t e put them in i'n 

before ' the canvassed the vote for 

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canvass .oanvass .canvass canvass oanvass the vote for tor the Assembly Qsembly ? A Well , the vote for the the- the- 

Assembly Assembly they' theytheycalled '- called calle out the vote.for vote. vote., for the Assembly J, and I was wa- 

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voted for Waldman Waldmitn Waldm 

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them th m were marked mark d in the tne wrong ng place , of or something someth ng like , that- that- 

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andand' and and' and'some aome some 

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of them .them 

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in ink ; ' they were , void "ballots. 

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candidates dI tes for ' Assembly ? . 

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ballots. 

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wore marked for 

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Some Somo of them he had passed for 1'or for4 eiss eiss- . 

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- re no marks in in. in.f'ront . front f'ront front- of o-r any name of of' ' anyany- candidate for tor the Assembly how would wouid the chaii chai1"man ; ehaiman 

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Board hoard Board oard hoard oard call it off ? A Nd Ni NO marks . at all-alJ.-all'-allblank. alJ.blank. all'blank. 

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0Q Di d he ,call cali them the blank every everJ liime time im when there were w e no- 

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marksmarks , , 

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marksmarksfor -' ks'-for for e' 

fOJ; any . candidate cand.ida ? . e'W! 

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were wer were ' no 110' 110'marks 

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marks in front of anjjcandidate 

anyfieandidate 

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anandida1e ; : * for forthe the 'the -the Assembly ? A I- 

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will wil '* 

te tell ll you youthe - -the .the -. truth I objected a few times and then jI jI- 

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t pay any attention. attention.- attention.- . 

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Bid Did you Tau : observe some me of the ballots with no marks mark- niar 8- 

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.- '- in .in -in .in infront front 'f'ront -front of of'' the trio the'' - candidates candid tes , for the th Asse-mbly Assermbly Assembly ? A I.guess I. I . 

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. call cali those off of-rl ? A . _.ReisB. Reiss. 

..ReisB.- . 

Q . < Q How many ma y votes votes for forValdm Waldman \Valdm waldmsin \ n did you hear the chairman chalrJ:1 ehairnan chairmaehairnan- : U1 

ncalfor callor ReisB Reiss ? A Well Wel I 'tell ' ' 

ell you y'ou. you. y'ou.exao you.exactly 

. exactly exao ly I didn't didn' didn I' t keep tracktrackof Qf of Qf how many votes he called to anyy place , perhaps about abou- 

20-j 200 20n( - ' 

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votes or 80 , and I know 'know that after a ,. ter the "ballots ballots ballots. were count ountcount- ount- ount- ¬- 

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Reiss? A .Well 

membermembe member how many. many.- . 

if you .recollect .rec 

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. .about. . quite 

Well 

about 

. llect Waldman WaJ.dman . votes 

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votes did he call calll 

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ca .t '. exactly exactl re re- 

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EIAMINATI.ON'BY 

EXAMINATION 

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BY 1m MR : POJ..IPAN POMPAN . : 

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Q Were you standing 

lenge nge s were maie 

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t ding next to Rubenstein when the'ohal the ' chalchalt - 

made ? ( No answer. U1sYcr. 

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ch challenged leJlg d JUdge / 

snitkin ? ' . 

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nybody''at anybody''at 'at 

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objected 

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ttei : on : entertainment sleeping 

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new that ? A Certain1j Certainly I did. did.- . 

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havingitsitsh- entertainment committee committeeTa.s \Ta.s was . \ having- " 

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the Broad\v Broadway \ ' ventral eri'tral : uotel wotei : ? '. .' 

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knew\ that 

that the headquart'ers 

headquarters 

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MR.. ROBINSON : Hay May 

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comaittee ? 

tertainment ertainment tertainment ertainment committee 

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JMR.. POUPA1f POMPAN : It ii s a' 

ilistio'p 

istio'p i stic sticparty. 

is.used . 

'--party. rty. . 

You kno know what an- 

for , dontY , , u? 

THE. THE.WITNESS WITNESS : 'I1 . don't 

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central'Hotel 

CentralHotel 

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Central -Hotel 

'- 1I ask' askaskcounsel ounse1 counsel to- 

a'well well : ;. kno knomterm 

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define the en- 

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the Soaial- Social- SocialSoaia- ontertainment 

entertainment committeee 

entertainment cocmitt 

committeeI 

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don t't : know \ .- ) 

know wo the got instructions in Headquarters. 

Headquarters- . 

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is to'proteG 

I . 

.leaders 1leaders rs , you know that , don don't ,' you? 

(No answer. answer.; ) , 

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st j ., be honest one at w11m 

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with :, me 

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idina around in automobile a that dayY in 

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You know a follow fellow' fellow'named named llankoy'that 

Hankey : ' tha't 

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came camo 

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around there 'there ? 

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ci n' . ' Vknow -know t .-.knO\ .knOhim. \ ., him. him.- him-. 

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.exoi 

' . Do you. you you.remember 

._ remember ! that tba. .t night about twenty fellows t lJ.O\Y8 lJ.OY8 . A 

\ com comeomcom- eom-¬ 

ing to the.pblling the. . p 1lin place plaoe -- when you : testified to , 

stifi ' d there here was wa some s m . : . -\..* 

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.excitement ment 'there t1te"e there , " 

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- = That excitement excitement. excitoment. . 

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was wai wa caused by people pcop e running" inland in-and : anci 

or.1" or.1 

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, sir. sir.- . . 

. 

Everybody EverJbo dy dy1iolS 'was 

.' was \1iolS \' mixed up and you y .were -'fore u'fore 

% d and I1 went .over over 

. to 'see 'see- 

What Wha. 

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Don Dont 

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in. ,. until untiJ. 

Done t you 

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lock ' 

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home ? A Two Two- 0.0" o' 0 

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mu h later than 

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Waldman. Waldman 

Waldman. . well 

imetime kno\v\ that the count for 

tha that tha. 

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m n was. was.- was.- was.- 

dock 

Assem ly 

: Assembly 

.t? A ! : The Assembly ASIS.ecbly was 

Eo Do you.remember 

you. you.remember .remember Waldman Wa dman coming comdng in there. 

well", " donit dons 

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B >, : ,siv sire' sir. siv- * . ' . 

QQ, 

How many 

QQ, 

There 

dont 

.accompanied 

mef\.aocomp.tnied 

men..accompanied 

time,? ', A I really didnftfe 

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day da:1: ? 

lyYasn' wasn't \Yasn' hasn't hasn'ti- \ ' t 

about- about- about- 

the e. t, You.know 

YoU. You.know- 

. know 

\ ,. . :. Waldman.- Wa1dman' Waldman Waldman.at 

. -' at f &.t . that particular partlcu1.ar particulartpartlcu1.ar- . 

earlY men 

' ,1I don don't ' t exactly exact1y know. know.- 

didnflt didntl count them them' them.,. . 

, 

Ther *,.vere ere vere . as many as tv/elve twelve t /olvo weren't ' there thero ? A Well 

' kno'w '. 

kno. " , I1 know 1cn )\' there was an officer ! ' ' and and.a .a . 'cap- cap- 'cap cap- - 

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know knowtherewere 

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riaht right in baok back at of: them? 

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Rubenstein 

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he said I obj 

object. ect. 

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, remember that 

A. Y3 ! , ? , sir. sir.- . 

didn , .t see that. that.- . 

after he diddid- Q. Q.. 

: You could hear him ,all ' ver t e place ? A e 

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was wa. e. there a couple coup1e of ofweeks. weelca. .weekl. -weeks. weelca.- weeks.- .weekl.- . 

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' 'Were you on election e1ection day ? A4 On election day what 'what ' do do- J- 

YOUt you YOUt ,raean 

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-" This-last This"laet .,.election .eJ.eotion election 

. day? 'A 

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' vdid 'didr 'di & . . not-ino'tnotisintse no'ta'ince" notsince 

not---' .. - - sintse since a'ince" ",, then then- 

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trouhletrouble l -", ' going goiri ri to tto- 

- whole'husiiieBsVl 

' had' too much trouhlegoing 

trou gO 

I quit qui thil the 1 e J 

court. 

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: whol'e hole rU81' rU81'e"8:11' 

'°busiiiea ? e"8:11' "i :I court.court.'f 

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mUcf 

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court. . . . 

you 

were on on' ', the left 1eft wing.or wfnc.r wingor wfnc. wingor- ., r 

Q whether 

. ito De you remember re ember you 

. 

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the 

what wing are'on are 'on on? 

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don dontt 

know 

you 

the th Eight J:1ght right 

:: wlng-wing-wingyou wing wlng- -- you 

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. am am-hot am 

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'.not . a politician 

poJ.1. tlcian * . 

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, i. Q'' . Have Have..you . .you 'got. ' . a. -green agreen 

-. 

. een.ticket _ .ticket ? ANo , -No .No -. 

: ., " , sir air , I have'not have'not. have' ' 

not.,. 

. . . 

' membership 

mecbe rship card ? A No , , sir. air. sir..- . 

Q, Dontt Don , t you hold hol a.. green are'en ' , .* . yy- 

, - 

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Di4 Did Di4 you hold a red red' red'ne one ne? A No , sir.. ' 

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QQ 

, have any? A. A . 

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do 

sir , , three weeks I was- 

didnt 

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a sent that I should hould 

Q 

come and help heip them- 

' a'a .member membe 

me 

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watch. 

.they 

. 

watch.. If I was sent for from f om the t1:1e : Democratic 

D moc party: tic I would wouJ.ct would- . 

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BY MR. UR.. ROBINSON 

RQ13INSON : 

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in its regular reguJ.at'. 

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for Assembly : 

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.the votp .vot votq 

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Objected to. to.- . . 

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to 

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' other offices offices1? A No , sir. sir.- . . 

G vernor' 

Edd 

' and 'and some 

' 

offices offioes for Governor andAsandAeandA- , - ; 

0Q Did Edd they count all the 

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saftereafter A.few few after after- afterseinbly 

A ftnr 1mx the Governor they skipped ' and aId ! they wentk vent :vent- 

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BY 1J.Y . a. MR. ? . ROBINSON : ' 

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HE 

voteVas was \Vas 

.Q ,. Q When1 When When'' the vote \ being being.counted 

ing .counted'by. 

.counted ' by - 

,. the. the th . Grand rand jury JUTur Tur- : 

did you make niake a memorandum 

memor ' ' 

d of ?t 'the 1th .result 

.:: e ult of of. . the tbe count o nt at' lit'> ' 

ttiat ttiatttitaetiinetitaetitaeA 

tiine? -' A Ir diddid- _ 

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, ; , concede , 

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rw ; 8 6 , Joseph E.. Cannon' 

W 'will "will 

,that Ifr. Ur.. McOowan UcGowan McOowa- 

. 

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' ncounted counted oounted'the the vote , and ana that what ha he' he'counted he 

found. 

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counted waa waswast what is 

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found. founa.. I.w1l . will concede concede'that that he correctly crrectly ? counted the the- 

'baLlotu 

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' which were , , in , that box.. ' 

"ballots 

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Have 

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, lave you 'ou ' got . 

that memorandum morand m vdth with th 'y 

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the Police Po i 

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MR. HR. 21R. 

HOBIHSON nOBINSON 

ROBINSON : Will you' 

his hi 8 count for tor Qoverhor Governor' 

' 

HR. 1HR. M. R. POMPAN POPAN' PO2APAN }! : 

Governor'was. 

' was. , 

you' concede oncede .what vhat 

.: h t the 

8mith 227 ; Nathan 

. THE WITNESS : Alfred E. 'E. ' . Smith 

: . ;' ' ' 

Canno' , 150 ;: blank '31 ;: that 

or New 

ornor. ornor . Por For Assembly A8semblY 

parties partiB - .. I.did I . 

' - .:;' , MOrris 

JlOrris D.. Reiss 

'segregate' 

' d not 'segregate1 

266 2 q , , blank lwik 58.- 58. 58.- 

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Q" Q"Q"Have Have Havo you got in-your 

e Department 

t-tj - j 

tb resiflt re q2t "lt "ltJ- " of ot ofof- 

. . 

lTathan 1.Miller L.W.ller Z.TSiller- 

1s for Qov- Qov- no - 

tha is 

Rei ss vote, on both- 

20,2 

aJ.dman 

' it , 20.2 ., , ,. ,, 

Louis ,.Waldman ! . 

. - ' . . 

in'j 

Department. ,. by the 

Now York ? ,. A I havo 

' .the Board transmits 'transmits 

, Q , What Wha't 

' 

- 

-' ur possession a letter addressed to- 

t e Board of o Elections 

have aII copy of 

' 

of'the 

Eleotions of o the City- 

hsrb 

the resolution hiarA hiue' : 

to the Police Commissioner. 

Commdssion 

Commissioner.-r 

. 

splution 

is that resolution 

M. 

1I I object 

re ? A The resolution 

that tha.t that. 

that.- . 

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tIt 

, 

' that- 

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1s.-- 

'f- ' 

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irrelevant,1mmateri 

i rrelevant , immate ri4l ri4lt 

- matter matterfrom from 

- " , 'f1 

. incompetent 

incompetent. 

and a.nd and 

incompet 

candereat 

can can.defeat 

nti *. ., No 

,. defeat the the'St ' Statuteor tuteJor 

* 

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8olutionno eolutionno 

resolu ion is. 1s.- 

*i to that a s irrelevantimmaterial ] 

N resolutionno 

re , matter- 

, the provisions 

rom what Board 

provisiona of the Statute. 

Statut- 

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. " 'THECO THECOUR T : ' 

'The gtatute statute is 1s i s mandatory. 

mand tory. There can bebebe- no question about . it it. The Board of Elections El.eotions 

. has nopowerpowor 

power powor power to delegate delega. . e its fts powero. powerD. powers. I suppose you are trying tXYing tryingtXYing- to establish estublish that? I am " 

inclined inclinod to take the "bull- -, bullbullby Yby the V 

horns hams in this cas case. case.-. '- . case.Reading .Reading Reading the stat gtatute Statute te .. , , j. I. ClllUlo. cannot canno. 

for 

r tfor of ot me , . .conaei .conceive conceive ye how ho\y\ on earth the. tlio. . .THECOURT 

eby 

' Board' Board Board'of Board'or. or. of ofj /jj- 

' 

/., 

. 

Elections EJ.ooti'ons tell the Department Department' to do that- at 

.which 

-which whichthe Board of Elections Electlons 

: should sho ld do. do.- . 

, " 

"bullO '-O -yY -y- O- 

V * 

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I._ cannotf j ; 

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tor the '.' life . ' ,' ; . . . \ , . .' 

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1' , 5l.iJJ .$ : 

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could . . 

'the ' . 

Police 

' 

'MR. MR. 'MR. MR. . CONKLIH CONKLIU CONKGIN : I1 have 

hnve not been in 

. 

, - J . . 

: this thi s case aso but'' : ' 

,.. " ' 

I " I- 

' 

I . : , this . seems 

" seo seems: '- to be to beb'e' b'e'averyimportant 

beaa 

-:= averyimportant 

veryimportant 

a-very : important 

' 

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matter. matter.Uh matter..Uh. . -Uh- .Uh- -. U.U- 

-. ., 

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. . hdoubtedly doubtedly doubte dly the Legislature 

. 

. 

does not -. 

< , " ' : intend-that intend.that intend that 

hal 

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vidualvidua vidual vidua vidusl], vid !members mem- Dembe rs of the th e Board Doard Board of of .El. f Elections .EJ.eatiano ecti ons shall ehaJ.l shalldi 

. lldi- .Il 

. ' . , 

eall 

, all al of the duties of 

. ofthe , the Board. , / of . course coxrse 

the indi- ¬- 

.diBcharge 

.,.diBcharg- ! charge scharge scharg- 

of.co } rse the duddud- - 

;. 

, ' 

' u'ties 'ties have huva to be imposed or delegated by the 

. 

one. 

. Board .. - . to some some.somsome- -'$- 

.... one. 

' . " ' ".one. 

. one. 

. . . Some SOlDO of th th& the& duties'are duties'' '. are 

( ., 

imposed 

lit. '! " 

upon 

." , , 

i 

Mr. Hr. McGowan He Go won , 

and- 

. 

'- othersothers.on others others.-on .on 'on other . employees employo'es 

e lo ' ' 

. 

' . 8 there. Now No" " .' 

, it i.t i t is not a , 

matmamat- , *- . ' 

** ". tter 

* ter < of compensation . 

/If */# '\ 

of 

, 

; _ 

that that.deter.mines determines 

. 

' 

it ; It I is a natter matter- 

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-' 

off 

I' .-f . * , 

: , delegation 

. or authorization or . 

specification ecific tion 

- : ... 

. 

by . the theth the- 

, 

. 

, 

< 

. . 

, , . .Board Board 

. .Board as to who will take .take 

. 

- charge chu.rge 

. 

" 

of these ' boxes boxos as as' as'weJ.l weJ.l- well weJ.l well. 

, , - as as ass 

to all the \ 

other things that 

. 

hat that.the ,.the Board must do. Now- - 

: 

the 

- 

. " ',. . . 

, 

', 

.; " the 'the simple . 

' matter m.atte utterr 

that the 

" - .: polce poice are not subject subj e t to the the' thethe'- ' th- 

, . , ordersordorseit : : 1' 

: orders ordors 

. 

of o the Board of Elections EJ.eotiona 

. does not govern govern. *. They ' " 

". 

mist mdit et delegate delegato .- it some one and for this thi a purpose urpo se they, t.h y: 

. 

.;. VSv' * .. " ' 

. specify speoify 

the 

, " 

the police policeas - 

f( - as -as those thoseTho who \Tho \ will "take take charge of. ot. ofot.- 

.the the boxes. boxe s. It is i Bs - 

exactly the same asasif i they told Mr. lfr. Hr. Mr.- . 

, "'. 

McCJotran 

}.{ omm to take them 

, 

th in .and put them in some room. room.rroom.-. Boa d.. CO CO- 

Now 

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-MR. "UR. ARR. 

COURT CaVItT : I want to get the statute now. ' 

CONKLIN : . Section 

fie'sfieBfie's fieBthat fie' .fie s -, that it 1 shall 

shail " 

Seoti n 199 of ..tho'EJ.ectlon theElection 

.the .tho' the- '- 

Election EJ.ectlon law 

speci 

. Xaw Iaw- , speci- speci--+ 

"be be the duty of the ,police to aid the theof 

Elections. Elections- . I- 

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. . 

THE 

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THE COURT 

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: Tha That t is 1 

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simplyimply simplyfor 

a 

-, 

,. for fa. r preserving pre se rving serving ' ' " 

: the tho put pubs pubsN- 

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MR. YR. NR.. CONKLIN COIlKLIN : : And An '/ 

. 

then the"rende thenrender "render all a l practical'assistpracticassistpractical'assista- practic practical /assist- assist- assistassistT- - 

nce 

I1 

HE 

. ,: ' 

. ance in :the 

' 

: enforcement nrorcement ofr this thi s chapter. hapter. hapter.T- . 

HE THE COURTt COURT: Let.ua Let. lot. . us see soo I1' 

Just what the theSta Statute Statut says. sayee says- saye- says- 

.Section eSection .Section Section 374 314 

, 

in respect to the thepreservation 

th - " 

,tf&r 

preservation of the ballot ballot- 

*" 

" " 

, ' , . , 

re reads reacts reads aa as follows : ( Reading Roadi g) In addition a di tion to that they fur- - 

nish the boxes into which the tho ballots are placed placed. placed.on ,. on ' 

Elec- Elo'o- Elo'- Elec Elec- ¬- 

. . , 

, , ' tionotion tion Day. 1b.y. 1by. . . Now what I am > curious urious to t learn is where ;:the- the the- 

13o.ard 

;..; 

Board 

' . Board 13o.ard 

. 

; of. of . 

. 

, 

' . Elections E1ections gets its authori authority-to authorityauthorityto ty. -. to tell , the policeof 

. . 

' ' 

of 9f , this city to takee these the.se . ballots to the the' the'st' station st' '. 

tion'.house- .house 

. .house.house- . , 

andajhd i' ' ajhd and there to be the ' custodian . 

of them. them.- . 

" 

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' ' 

MR. NR.. CONKLIN : Well Well'' the Board , of 

of Elections trans- ¬- . 

\ . mit 

, 

.. .. . , 

, 

Elect ion8 trans 

mit ndt mit these ballot boxes to the various Election BoardsBoardsthroughthrou through throu the police. poli.ce. 

i.t . ' 

be be' be'expected expected that the the- 

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. . Now would it 

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f'' 

, , ' , Board of Elections would wo d themselves the selvesJ, being bein four fou members member , 

. . , 

;: : . 

lt 

: 

1 

, 

' 

. take every evory'on 

, , one of'those fthose 

o f ' .- ' ' ' .''' .those -those boxes to' 'to the polling polling.plaoo 

,. place- 

. 

. 't ' 

andcould 

," 

' 

. 

,;, 

. i , and tako taka them back baok again.. Why ' 

< , , 

the.Board the ., B'oard 

(;1 

of Elections leotions Elections- 

, could 

: could ,: 

select seleot this building across aoross the way nay : . 

and put .whomwhomwhoa..who.who- - 

* 

: 

msoevormsoevor soevor soever msoever 

I 

it pleased plea ed, ., it could put 'put ' me without one cent ofof.- of- 

, 

.,:< 

' 

.compensation 

compensationco 

' 4- 

J . 

.co .compensation 

. 

compensation e 8ationJ, 

over there and as long as , 

that was wan the place plaoe place- 

. . .,, 

: 

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,: tf&&) 

fvdesignated' ; 

' 

-* designated5 

'tf'dtisfgncited' designated' 

' ' : " 

by the Board Bo rd of E 

. ,, " : Elections ectlone , and "and I ; 

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.JVas Iwas was \Vas \ the t1 ! man- 

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designated dssignated to look'after 

Look'' ' after them it 'it 

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would "be be 

; 

constructivelywithin 

the meaning of the tho Election law La.w . ' Lawwithin 

- , within 'within -within the pos pospos- po s¬seo8so10nse o8so10n session 

soion of ot .the the . Board of ot Elections Eleotions. Elections. *. Now what difference differencedifferendoesced does doesit o'sit d o's 

' --it make whether 

Wh ther it it. its it.1'D itsis io '. 1'D 

' 

is Mr. Yr.. TjcGowan 1.tcGowan caowan i. ' 

or whether it is is' is'- 

Ii 

is- 

. 

" 

the h police or anybody else elae 

' 

outside of tho the four tour'membar members member- 

, 

of -of :- .o sof 

. the .Board Board 

. : of of' ' 

. 

- 

' Elections Electiono who 'yho ' took took. took'possession 

,possession poso ' s8ion . 

of Qt'these Qt'theseb'theseoxos. boxes. boxos. This T4is chapter ohapt r must be construed oonst ed reasonably xeasonably. reasonably.*. 

*. * 

THE COURT : It ItI s Itsi a criminal oriminal Statute 

S.S.a ute 

I ' . 

,;, and ' it calls call- callsM- 

' 

striot construction. 

oonotruction. 

construction.M- 

oonotruction.H- 

construction.- . 

" . . ' " 

" 

f'' ,for a strict 

., sf R. 

. 

' 

" MR. YR.. EDELSTEIK EDELSTE 

EDELST EIN}f; I take 

' it i 

* . ' t that tha. thatM- 

not ot change 

Iaw Law Iaw Law ; vrtiere where, it it 4in 

lice to do an 

' 

- - 

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. 

.' . , MR. 

R. be 

HR.. CONKLIN : ' Well : 

" 

* 

" * even a criminal ori *,;.}A. 

nal' 

't ' :. nal'statute 

: ..f . ; . ' - 

- 

, 

* 

" : ' :!/be 

f 

" / 

members 

' *' 

'-'be 

-be .eo . so construed oonstrued as io to make -. 

-' . . 

' ' " 

it i part of or the . 

, duty of o'r'"the the 'the 

" : ' 

members : of the Board of o Election .to .,t 

. 

': . 

- . >. and. and ., R. 

- 

. watch watoh these ba1.aot -bo 

' > ' . 

the so ballot ba1.aotbo boxes. 

statute could couldnot cpuld.not- -. -not not- 

physically phY8ioally sit si t down down- 

.then hen 

- , 

four- 

'i 

' 

'f'' 

vhen \\hen \\ hen we 

" 

are consid con consid- si d 

/ 

'. 

. 

eringoring'ring " ' - t ' , 

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:r. 

. : " " ' 

> .... 

r.1" . ering oring' ring oring'Q 

© , aQ question qqastion of criminal law " 

" 

'pv \1" '\' ' ) 

we "lIe are not dealing doa.l . ng with with.with- * , : v 

: . 

., texpediency. UJ 

. ff" ff"- 

< t* 

. .expediency. exPediency. . ' 

" The law law' law'pla.oes placee pla.oes 

, 

place 

. s " ... 

. 

_, this matter in the hands of- 

. 

tjthe .. . 

, 

H- \tj \ , . ' . the : Board.'of 

J3Board. ard.. 'of 

wh 

to 

havethe 

:"v-f "vf "vf- 

V "vf- "?i- "vf- 

V... t o havehave. : " ' 

.:. 

. 

' 

of Elections Eleotipns and whether whether.- whether.it ther. ,.,- 1. it .t might be expedienteXpedien- oiice olice D P Department spartmen t look 1ook after $fter the matter does oes- 

-. the PPolice 

c nge the situation.. ' Now in examining 

- -intends itintends ends 

- specifically epeci-fically to 

e ning the .Election ectioD- 

- 

. ectioD 

* 

authorize the Po- Po- Po- Po- ¬- 

un act there thoro is ia a distinct distinot provision. provioion.. Section 

Sectio 

, lice # */ . ' " 

f ,372 

: i 

' 

; " * ,372 , says that that' a statement tatement of ot the 

"' 

,' thecanvass .canvass .canvaos -canvass 

.- 

. . 

. ' is i s to "be 'be deliv- deli delivdelivvv-¬- '" 

' yered Now 

= 

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'- 

. ered -ered 'er d to the t e police po ice an d therefore it 

' . , 

; y , . means that the Elec Elec- Elec- ElecI- Elec- ¬- . 

. 

. I.. , . . ' 

tiontion' : f* 

. 

, 

, tion ' Law, in every eVe everyinstance 

ry .- .instance -instance .in .-instancewhore stance.whorei -whore who ' ' re Il s> 4, 

it it wonfcs wan-to -V/ 0 the t e police poli co to to' to- 

' 

. 

, 

, . . 

. 

.take 

\4 \}ia- 4 ? 

. 

. 

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. 

, ' " 

.take .charge charge 

. _, distinctly stlnctly di says 

' 

, 

BayS so. 80. Now nothing rothing.in .in t,- the stat- - ' 

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permits .nd.t. . th th.*. 'Board- 'Boardof J.oarcl.ot :-. .of Elections to make . 

" ' ' . 

* ,* ' ' ' 

., . 

' 

lations 

. rule and re/rurel\1rerurel1l- / 

. \ - 

, 

. . 

lationaatioJ18 lationa latioJ18 lations delegating d.eleg 

. ting its power to the police. polico.. Assuming AseUBina for- 

the purpose of ot this thi 8 argument argument' ' 

\ that the Election Law La 

- perper- perper. per- ¬-. 

mittednii .iiitte mitted iiitte nii tte d the Board J30ard of 0o :( Elections to tQ make rules rule and , rggula- I:8gularggulaI:8gula'rggula- : - 

, 

'. 

'tiains t"ionst'ions tiains 't"ions t'ions ' 

. \ 

, ; ' . ' 

" 

those . .rules .rule rules8 

and regulations 

regUl regulatiogs t'oq 

' 

as your Honor Hono well- 

. . 

. 

knows , . coula cO)1l could ) riot pot , ot.ot.be ,.: - " 

"be be such Buch as to . defeat the Statute.stat Statute.Now te. .-' 

Now low Now- ! ' 

.. . 

. 

.; . 

here 

; ... 

here the th Election Eleotion Board ' attempted to . 'a ':J defeat 4eteat 

' the Statute sta - ut.;: ' ' 

. 'e. t,t- 

. 

" 

However inconvenient 

inconveni 

. nt it might "be. be.;, 

, for fo'r 

' 

the Election Board Boa.rd . 

f 

1- 1. . 

,-to -to .to act or however important it .it mi-ght 

. might - be for tor the purpur.purr - 

pose 

.: pose posef poseof of ot expediency to have f , , the t e Police Police'', it"t 

Department handle handle- dJ.e . 

t- 

i 

A.the \ .the the 

.,Ahe boxes ios ., beyond , the mark.. The . 

question que 

, stion is i s that the the- 

' 

, 

' 

Election El'ection Law aw distinctly distinc ly says says© when the Police 3)epart3)epartepart- Depart- Depar)epart- - 

, . 

t'ventvment 'vent ' inent may act.or ., actor may not J, and 

, andsince since 'since -since -' 

.1 . there here is i s nothing in- 

" 

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* 

the Election 

,lec iotl Law Jaw ] permitting that which was done in iri this- 

< 

' 

_case c .e wo we ' 

. hold that tho the Board of ., . .Elections Elections .had 

. h d no 'more more 

: more 

. , 

. 

. 

thoritythoriauau-u ¬- 

.... 

' 

' 

" 

thority thori ty thanwyour 

'. , than"your thanayour 

' " Honor would would' 'would' have. ha.ve have.- . ' ' . 

*. 

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THE 

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THE COURT : 

' . 'it It raises rai ses this question : '- 

, 'Were-these 

-Were' Ne re L-' these- the so so- 

. ' 

. , 

. 

, t8 "' preserved as required by by. by' *. 

Were' 

' law? 

'baii ballots'preserved 

ballots 

. 

. MR. 

. EDELSTEINWe . -We 

- We contend oontend that'they that 'they 'they 

,were not. not.- ., 

HHR. MR. HHR.EDELSTEIN 

.EDELSTEIN : 

m. IM. 

m. 

! . .CONKLI1T CONJLI11 

., colncL 

{ N : Reading 

not 

R ading Section 199 it shows that that. 

that' . ' it- . 

. , 

: ,rJ . 

practicab 

'was 

-was 'was was 

.- the the-duty duty .duty 

.- of the the. thethepolice polioe police to 

. 

- renderrenderall all ll practicable practicable. e.a ,. asae , sistance siistance si stance in enforcing enforoing this chapter chapter.,. ( reading) JTbw Now irre 

pective spective spectiTe of o-r - 

that jiow now how is .the the . Board : '- of Elections Electionsgoing going 'going -going to- 

take physical physioal possession 

, 

'- of 'these-boxes 

-these-boxes 

oftheseboxes 

'the e:, - boCe ? s 'when when '.,., 

there are 

. , , ' 

* * * * 

only . 

SP2& ? & -. 

-four members of the Board? ' 

- 

N w irrerirrers ¬- js- 

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a ' right to properly oonduot conduct oonduotconduct- ' 

the Department and the state has 3a: right and' and and'8hould 8hould should make makeappropriations 

appropriations "from time to time to cover ver these exigencies. 

exigencies.- 

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have these L. 

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contemplates es that they should be ? " 

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see ee that 'the 

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chine in this state. State. The evidence' evidence evidence'here here olearly' clearlyolearly'sclearlyshowsshows thut that these ballot boxes oontaining containing 

were marked. marked marked.1ere"kep 

. \1ere"kep were'kept were' \ 

was 

was aco 

accessibility 

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'in 

BBibi ity to' to'them 

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the , police station hou house. 

' them ; the 

the ba1lots ballots which Which- 

ther e can be no question- 

r eotly from 

about that.. There was , if I figure correctly 

number of voting plaoeo places more' 

re.th 

e.. They- 

rom the- 

.' tha n 500 keys anyone any one of whiChwhich- ' 

w would uld open a ballot box. box- . Now there is i s just one ne observabserva'-servaserva- ' 

.'tion 'tion 

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I wanted .,ant d to make.. 

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'You 'You 'Your contention is i s that the' the'Po Po- Po- - 

lice ioe Department on Eleotio Election Day Was an adjunct to the the- 

ioe 

the the'aw ' lawaw- , . , , . 

' 

: Board Board o.Eleotions. 

of.Elections. 

. . I cannot find 'anything anything 

upon T1hich which you base that 

the 'b 

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ballots 

side 

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in the' 

.theory. -theory. The proposition that- 

llots had not been preserved is made by tho 

the other other.- ,. 

ired by law m1d and it amounted to a duty on the- 

so ballots ballots.! . 

should have been in tho the cus- 

part of the.Bureuu' 

the.Bureuu'of 

the ., Bureau ' of Eleotions Elections to preserve tho those 

4- 

I contend 

'- contend that at those ballots' ballots- ohould 

ballotsshould 

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to of ections af er hey'wer 

counted and not kopt 

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in'the station houses of this county.. 'NoW'' 

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,gross': ' miscarriage. miscarriage..mighht 

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the door locked okod and en1ed sealed under the caso case of the police policer- 

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remote posoibl1ity possibility get .aobess acbess 

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to the room. room- oom. oom.- . 

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THE COURT : A certif'icate 

evidence. 

oumpt1v sumptive eV'idenoe. 

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: ' certificate of eleotion election is i's ' 

preproprepro- - 

' . That , ,however , is not final and conelu- 

sive alve ev1d evidence evidenceby nce 'by -by '- any means. means.The . The t 

contents of' . A. A- . 

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the 'boxes 'boxesA- 'boxeshas.been 

.bas. bas. has.been 

. been said id to be the thebeet 'be -beet- 

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'- t'evide evidence ce atter after havin having , been been.- 

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.op-ened opened and counted but before the boxes can be _ received- ec v d 

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'tents tents 

must be shoWn 

shorn that 

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n'tents ' are inviolate. Now bave brave Y9u you done that ,in this case? 

Wasn't ' it possible , assuming . ,t at the la\v\ which I have- 

is 

qu quotedquotedis t 'is 

correct-correotisn't correctisn't 

, -- isn't 

' it clearly shown thut that the' the ', 

boxes- 

were not 'l 'inviolate vi late .; on the contrnry contrary, doesn doesn't 't it af affiririr-- matively 11yely ; appear that th there re was ncce acce s8i1 risibility 

>11i ty.., tha.t that tha.tothers1others- '- correot-- 

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c.ould 

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wi thin t the realm of' probubil1 probability 

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"ceivable 

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to the igination 

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of the miraculousnot- , 

ty but p08sibili possibility. : . ., Soit So -it 

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imagination that they might be tampered tampered- 

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circumstances 

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that"are that" that'"'" 

are re here bere as far rar ao as accessibility 

as'aooessibility is.- is is.is- .concerned .concerned. 

., concerned.concerned copoeme ; *. '"- 

These'cases 

These"cases These-cases 

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have "boon been presented presentd to 

' a jury jur to to- to- 

'permit permit ' permit rmit them 'to ' '* 

determine whether , in inthe the 'the 

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experience experienoe 

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there could oould "be be a prohability probability or.a ., possibility possibilit- 

possibilityM- 

Ifthat that dftb some eome come one could 

yt R. MR. 

oould go ' in .there 

pportunityportunity to open opon the boxes'and boxeo'and boxeo' 

in the ballot ballo but in the. the thee theecount. 

., count oount. count. oount.- count- *. 

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MR. RDKLSTEDT 

EDFZSTEIN 

EDF STEIN : . 

here re that the key v/hich which flhi 

' ., ' ballots were 

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close olose attention ,to 

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the1'e ' ., and have the 

ti 

the ' time 

boxes ' and make an alteration aJ.teratfon 

Tt seems that my u friend 

to ' the evidence. 

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offioer stated- 

evidenoe.. The officer 

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olosed the room wherein 

these e' -' " ballots 1Iere was WllS in the office 

a.pcaptain's 

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'or o'f :' the captain , hanging ononlonal. all. a 

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. that over a hundred undred people would w uld go so into the- 

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captain's p tain 's' 's'room. ' room.. In addition to t that the evidence evidenoe is i s that- 

one key could oould open any of 0 r the thc ; : ballot : 

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treble 

" treble the number of 

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strict 

Di District Di his hie argument a ument it 

the 

seems to me " 

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falls by 'by "by the wayside wayside. waysid- wayside.- *. 

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e.I The The!' next n xt proposition proposi tio , as to the expediency expedidn.cy' . ', as I said be ¬- 

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fore 

fore , when we Ire are ure considering onsi4ering criminal orimina. a'orimina. a'criminal a' ' 

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.]. Statute we are , 

not n t interested in expediency. 

e ed ency.. ' The Thc' The'' proposition 

pro osi tion is'where i s" s"' " 

where 

Legi81ature intended that the police rshould be charged chargchargecharged- . 

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\ftb \, a duty itdistinctly cllstinotly itcllstinotly states it'' it in the 

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Election neotion Law. Law Law-., 

.If It it is not ot there w& u9& ought not read anything into the th the- ' 

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on the Statute. 

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except to 'to "to that remark. remark.- 

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THE COUBT COU-m' COURT' 

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Statute. .Statute. nays :rs that after 'after the count has hag teen' been bee hadhad- th the 

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! COURT : The 'The Board 

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of.Elections. 

ot.Elections. 

ot.Elections.1- 

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IM JJR 1m IM EDELSTEIK 

EDELSTEIN : The T e ' 

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legal J.egal 

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propooi ion is' is'as t 

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1r as to. to._ what what- what- ha 

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the duties dutle dutie8a . of o1 the ' Police Polioe Department * * \ are . There is i s not notI- 

a word giTing'th giving giving'' the . Police PoJ.lce Department that power , that is io isg- , 

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ens that they ' 

intended ' 

that they 'they should be' be ' a'ththethecuotodian 

custodian cuotodian of the he ballot boxes. boxes.- boxe 8. 8-. 

. in the sense 

THE .THE THE COURT : I want waft to see sec that envelope nVeJ.op8 

. which hioh ilr. Ur. 11r. .ilr.- Ur- 11r-. 

Bobinson .Robinson Bobinson Robinson .Robinson 

' 

showed ahowed to the he County Clerk 'Clerk 

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when wh n he was here . The'The'- question is 1s i s 

r'k 

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. this thi e : . 

IWiether Whether the forwarding of o a paper such- such- such- 

''as as 'as as I am referring rere1r1ng : to would not no t amount to t that which is 

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upon 

1,8 is1,called 8calJ.ed called calJ.ed 

. " . in ion law aw au ' false 1'ql e return.There etum.. Th r8 is fs a duty imposed imposeduponup 

upon up n the inspector inapeo o t o make a correct return retu of at the ballotsJ.ot8- . 

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counted "by by them. ., That.duty That._ duty . by ' ) That law is 1s i s imposed 

. upon them. them them- th m..,. , 

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a. of neglect of duty dutythat 

th thatt there was a. d.ere 

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Y" on his part in tho the performance 

performancperformanceeY 

of o his hi s pubJ.io public . duty.. When I examine examinedd th the indictment indi ctmentthis- .... 

morning and lst listdned ; ned to some of the evidence I did foel feel : ' 

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y OOone 

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- a misdemeanor and tho the other is I : s a felopy. felony. felopy.- felony.M- 

m. MR. 

m. R. 

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ROBINSOH : . We : have not; 

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