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Arbeit macht frei: - Fredrick Töben

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MR PERKINS: … that is the same question, which your Honour<br />

disallowed.<br />

HIS HONOUR: Just a minute. Mr Perkins has an objection. Yes, Mr<br />

Perkins?<br />

MR PERKINS: It’s the same question that Mr Margo has just asked that<br />

your Honour disallowed. Mr Margo purported to withdraw it after it had<br />

been disallowed, but the fact was that it was disallowed.<br />

HIS HONOUR: Yes. Mr Margo you can’t ask what’s in the mind of<br />

someone else. You can ask, as you did, whether the people who asked<br />

him …<br />

MR PERKINS: Shared his views.<br />

HIS HONOUR: … held the same views. Put another question, please.<br />

MR MARGO: Dr Toben, some of the people who invite you to travel to<br />

attend conferences, and who pay your expenses, share your views on the<br />

Holocaust, do they not?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: On the Holocaust Hoah issue, but not only – on far larger<br />

issues. The Holocaust is a side issue. For example, the financial<br />

international monetary problem is far greater than this Holocaust schwa,<br />

or the global warming problem coming up. The Holocaust is insignificant<br />

in this respect.<br />

MR MARGO: Dr Toben, you attended a conference organised by the<br />

President of Iran, to examine whether the Holocaust happened or not,<br />

and you gave a full presentation, with models, trying to show that the gas<br />

chambers did not exist; that’s correct, isn’t it?<br />

Dr <strong>Töben</strong>: It is not correct the way you put it. May I put it correctly? The<br />

conference was a review of the Holocaust …<br />

MR PERKINS: I object to this.<br />

HIS HONOUR: Yes. Yes, Mr Perkins?<br />

MR PERKINS: There is no reason to suppose that the injunctions of this<br />

court are attracted to the conduct which is being referred to. There is also<br />

no reason to suppose that the conduct of Dr Toben, assuming that he did<br />

what is being put, was illegal in the country where it occurred.<br />

HIS HONOUR: Yes. I think that’s right, Mr Perkins. Thank you. Mr<br />

Margo …<br />

MR MARGO: Your Honour, the relevance of the question is …<br />

HIS HONOUR: Mr Margo, please don’t interrupt me. I was going to say<br />

something.<br />

MR MARGO: I apologise.<br />

HIS HONOUR: Mr Margo, I don’t think this cross-examination is very<br />

useful. I’m not sure where it’s going.<br />

MR MARGO: It’s at an end, your Honour, but on the relevance of that<br />

question may I just make a submission?<br />

HIS HONOUR: If you wish.<br />

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