Arbeit macht frei: - Fredrick Töben

MR MARGO: You may not recall the date. Do you recall an article
appearing in the Australian, ‘Holocaust denier, Fredrick Toben, vows to
defy judge?’ It’s at page 218 of exhibit …?
Dr Töben: Oh, yes, yes, yes. I was – yes. This vow is to defy, yes. That’s
not my statement.
MR MARGO: And you declared that you would go to gaol, rather than
pay a fine, if the Federal Court found you guilty of publishing material
denying the Holocaust?
Dr Töben: Yes, indeed.
MR MARGO: Do you recall …
HIS HONOUR: Just a minute. Just a minute. He didn’t say that. He was
reported as saying that.
MR MARGO: Did you say to the person who wrote this article words to
the effect that you would rather go to gaol than pay a fine if the Federal
Court imposed one on you?
Dr Töben: I spoke even before that interview, talked about this, if a fine
was imposed, because I have no money, and couldn’t even pay your
$220,000 costs that you were asking for. I – I – the next step is going to
gaol, because that’s what happens.
MR MARGO: Dr Toben …?
Dr Töben: I – I have no means.
MR MARGO: … that’s an evasive answer?
Dr Töben: I have no money.
MR MARGO: Dr Toben …
HIS HONOUR: Just a minute, Mr Margo …
MR MARGO: That is an evasive answer.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Margo, just a minute, just a minute.
MR MARGO: Dr Toben, if you look at page 218 of the document, which
is said to be the …?
Dr Töben: Yes.
MR MARGO: … said to be what was published in The Australian on 14
April?
Dr Töben: ‘Wall Street’ – oh, Business Australian. I’m not aware of this
article. Oh, Pia Akerman, yes.
MR MARGO: Yes. If you look at the fourth paragraph you’re quoted as
saying, ‘If I’m found guilty, and a fine is handed down, I will, on principle,
refuse to pay the fine, so that means I will have to go to gaol, go in, he…?
Dr Töben: Yes. Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Mr Margo’s question is, did you say that?
Dr Töben: Yes.
HIS HONOUR: Thank you. Yes, Mr Margo?
MR MARGO: And is that still your position?
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