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Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
The survivors grieve for the man who is dead. Do men fear sleep?
On the contrary sleep is courted and on waking up every man says
that he slept happily. One prepares the bed for sound sleep. Sleep is
temporary death. Death is longer sleep. If the man dies while yet alive
he need not grieve over others’ death. One’s existence is evident with
or without the body, as in waking, dream and sleep. Then why should
one desire continuance of the bodily shackles? Let the man find out
his undying Self and die and be immortal and happy.”
13th July, 1935
Talk 65.
A visitor: Is the jagat (world) perceived even after Self-Realization?
M.: From whom is this question? Is it from a Jnani or from an ajnani?
D.: From an ajnani.
M.: Realise to whom the question arises. It can be answered if it arises
after knowing the doubter. Can the jagat or the body say that it is?
Or does the seer say that the jagat or the body is? The seer must be
there to see the objects. Find out the seer first. Why worry yourself
now with what will be in the hereafter?
Sri Bhagavan continued: What does it matter if the jagat is
perceived or not perceived? Have you lost anything by your
perception of jagat now? Or do you gain anything where there is
no such perception in your deep sleep? It is immaterial whether
the world is perceived or not perceived.
The ajnani sees the Jnani active and is confounded. The jagat is
perceived by both; but their outlooks differ. Take the instance of the
cinema. There are pictures moving on the screen. Go and hold them.
What do you hold? It is only the screen. Let the pictures disappear.
What remains over? The screen again. So also here. Even when
the world appears, see to whom it appears. Hold the substratum
of the ‘I’. After the substratum is held what does it matter if the
world appears or disappears?
The ajnani takes the world to be real; whereas the Jnani sees it
only as the manifestation of the Self. It is immaterial if the Self
manifests itself or ceases to do so.
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